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Aneirin -> Life that is not human (10/26/2009 4:20:04 AM)

I was just wondering about life on this planet which is not human, this of course includes everything other that walks, creeps, crawls, slithers, swims, flies and otherwise travels around it's enviroment as a means of living, how do the various religions see this other life. What are we according to our religious instruction to this other life, are we guardians, custodians, users or abusers, what do people's seperate religions say about how we perceive and co exist with life which is not human ?

Is it likely those of a certain religion are inclined to be more damaging to other life than say another religion, could religion be the understanding criteria on how to deal with other life ?

What religion is likely to be more damaging to other life ?



Rule -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 5:01:29 AM)

I am inclined to think that the Hindu may have it right: that (parts of) minds may be reincarnated in humans and in animals and that they can move up or down on the scale of life forms. Some people ought to have part of their mind reincarnated as a number of herring or maggots, in my opinion.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 6:59:49 AM)

I wonder what Rush will be reincarnated as?


Sorry bout the semi-hijack.  I just HAD to do it tho



LaTigresse -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 7:01:34 AM)

A feeder pig



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 7:13:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

A feeder pig


I hate to disagree, but I think that after this stint he's due for a step down, not a promotion.



MrRodgers -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 8:06:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

A feeder pig

I hate to disagree, but I think that after this stint he's due for a step down, not a promotion.

Once Clear Channel finally suffers enough loses on that last $400 million deal...we likely won't have Rush to kick around anymore.



Moonhead -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 11:06:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was just wondering about life on this planet which is not human, this of course includes everything other that walks, creeps, crawls, slithers, swims, flies and otherwise travels around it's enviroment as a means of living, how do the various religions see this other life. What are we according to our religious instruction to this other life, are we guardians, custodians, users or abusers, what do people's seperate religions say about how we perceive and co exist with life which is not human ?

Is it likely those of a certain religion are inclined to be more damaging to other life than say another religion, could religion be the understanding criteria on how to deal with other life ?

What religion is likely to be more damaging to other life ?


Christianity, probably: most of the others have a few dietary restrictions, at least.



littlewonder -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 6:18:37 PM)

Hindus see all life as equal and sacred whether it be man, animal or plant.

Judaism believes that man should not cause pain to any living creature. God makes a covenant with animals just as He does with humans but that Man takes priority over animals and it is ok to kill an animal if it means fulfilling a human need.

Christians for the most part believe that Man has dominion over animals as stated in Genesis. Living creatures are to serve Man but Man is to care for them.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 7:16:42 PM)

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What religion is likely to be more damaging to other life ?


No religion on the face of this planet truely damages other life....

the carriers of religion... scratch that. The people damage life.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people... type dealie.


As to my religious instructions:

A thought has been given to me that I am no more or less important than the next entity in existence and that all parts are required in this engine of universe to run.

To what end, who knows. I have an idea but this is a different topic.

To respect each entity or not to respect each entity.
Do not wear sunblock or do not wear sunblock.
Wear a seatbelt or do not wear a seatbelt.
Dump the trash on the freeway or place it in the proper container.

Each action, even if the intentions are pure can have a negative effect upon the whole. Sure the average lifespan of each human is much longer than what it was due to our desire to live but now there is less room on this planet and thus, less resources...
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In a different strain of thought if we were to.... let us say for example drop a bomb... it may not be the end of life as a total... just the end of us (possibly). Ten thousand years later the earth would reset back to a humanless state, except for the pyramids. Humans that continue on will find it much easier to live, breathe, and see the stars.

And have a respect for the entity that is the atomic bomb.

HA. Pyramids.




DarkSteven -> RE: Life that is not human (10/26/2009 7:17:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Judaism believes that man should not cause pain to any living creature. God makes a covenant with animals just as He does with humans but that Man takes priority over animals and it is ok to kill an animal if it means fulfilling a human need.

Christians for the most part believe that Man has dominion over animals as stated in Genesis. Living creatures are to serve Man but Man is to care for them.



Yep.  The establishment of dominion over plant and beast is in Genesis, and should be common to both Christians and Jews.  Jews and Muslims both require slaughtering an animal to be done as painlessly as possible.  I'm not sure why Christians do not require that as well.

Jews are allowed to eat animals killed for food, but not killed for sport.



Esinn -> RE: Life that is not human (11/13/2009 10:23:28 PM)

YHVH finds it pleasing when creatures he placed on this planet are brutally killed and tortured by his prized possessions (humans).

So, I would say if you are christian and you want to get on his....  Find yourself some kittens and puppies.  Pour gasoline over them.  Find yourself a dying corn field(fall works best).  Set the little bastards on fire.  Enjoy the fiery trails as they run.

If the bible is true god likes the smell of burning bull flesh I assume he would equally enjoy the suffering and torture along with the smell of burning kitten and puppy flesh.

Religion and the bible are either absolute crap or they are not - I will let you decide.



servantforuse -> RE: Life that is not human (11/13/2009 10:41:58 PM)

Are you including liberal democrats ?



slvemike4u -> RE: Life that is not human (11/13/2009 10:48:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Are you including liberal democrats ?
ya gotta love these moderate type Republicans....such a sense of humour[:D]



eyesopened -> RE: Life that is not human (11/14/2009 5:00:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Esinn

YHVH finds it pleasing when creatures he placed on this planet are brutally killed and tortured by his prized possessions (humans).

So, I would say if you are christian and you want to get on his....  Find yourself some kittens and puppies.  Pour gasoline over them.  Find yourself a dying corn field(fall works best).  Set the little bastards on fire.  Enjoy the fiery trails as they run.

If the bible is true god likes the smell of burning bull flesh I assume he would equally enjoy the suffering and torture along with the smell of burning kitten and puppy flesh.

Religion and the bible are either absolute crap or they are not - I will let you decide.



Could you please show the biblical passage that indicates that god enjoys aminals be tortured?  Killed in a brutal fashion?  Cats and dogs are not kosher, they were never used for sacrifice so one could assume god does not like the smell of burning kittens.  I'm not sure which bible you are reading but I have a totally different version.



DarkSteven -> RE: Life that is not human (11/14/2009 5:07:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Esinn

YHVH finds it pleasing when creatures he placed on this planet are brutally killed and tortured by his prized possessions (humans).

So, I would say if you are christian and you want to get on his....  Find yourself some kittens and puppies.  Pour gasoline over them.  Find yourself a dying corn field(fall works best).  Set the little bastards on fire.  Enjoy the fiery trails as they run.

If the bible is true god likes the smell of burning bull flesh I assume he would equally enjoy the suffering and torture along with the smell of burning kitten and puppy flesh.

Religion and the bible are either absolute crap or they are not - I will let you decide.



Where the hell did you get THAT?

Satanism requires animal sacrifices as well as some of the older religions such as Druidism and possibly Mithraism.  In some of its earlier states, Judaism had sacrifices but it's gone now.  AFAIK, Christianity has never required animal sacrifices.  Modern religions such as Christianity and Mormonism (which many Christians and I do not consider to be Christian although the Mormons themselves would disagree) require tithing to the church itself as a sort of substitute.  And although the Catholic Church has never represented it as such to my knowledge, a case could be made that the "giving things up for Lent" practice is a sacrifice and as such represents an evolution from the practice of animal sacrifice.

Jews and Muslims are specifically enjoined to not eat flesh from animals that are not slaughtered humanely.



eyesopened -> RE: Life that is not human (11/14/2009 5:51:43 AM)

The religion of greed is by far the most damaging.  Its followers are so fanantic and so widespread that it really frightens me because it is a religion that does not respect any life other than that of the individual devotee.

I personally like the spiritual beliefs of many Native Americans as well as other tribal religions in other parts of the world.  They take time after (or before) the felling of any tree, the killing of any animal, the plucking of any plant, and give thanks and reverence to the spirit of each, for its giving of itself for the benenfit of the people.  In that way, every meal is a gift, every skin to sleep on, every article of clothing, is a gift to not be taken for granted.

In modern urban society we don't always witness the felling of trees, the plucking of plants, the killing of animals and we tend to not understand what exactly what was required of another living thing in order to provide us the life we have. 



LadyEllen -> RE: Life that is not human (11/14/2009 7:43:53 AM)

Religion and the conservation of the eco-system - interesting topic.

I would venture to say that the evolution of religious ideas from the state of pantheism (where God(s) is/are in everything) to the state of polytheism (Gods identified, distinct from everything else) and thence monotheism (which we are all familar with), accompanies a general progression of attitudes towards the conservation of the eco-system, with, in more "primitive" religious forms, an attitude towards seeing man as part of the eco-system, dependent on it and therefore obliged for his own survival to maintain it, and, in more "advanced" religious forms, an attitude towards seeing the eco-system as separate, for the use and manipulation of man in his fight for survival.

I would also venture to say that religion has evolved according to our relationship with the eco-system though. A group living a hunter-gatherer lifestyle will see the world around them and hence produce a religion according to that view, which is very different to a group living an agricultural lifestyle, who will similarly produce a religion based on the resulting view of the world. Our modern western lifestyle meanwhile is producing a whole new religion still; distanced from the realities of nature, idealizing nature in a way which is inaccurate and yet exploiting it to the absolute maximum to support that lifestyle.

I would therefore conclude that it is rather the case that the evolution of mankind's relationship with the eco-system, occasioned by his innovations in survival, produces changes to his religion. And so it is mankind's nature as it would seem, to ultimately destroy the eco-system upon which he depends, not through religious influence but through his own inexhaustible innovation and the accompanying rise in his numbers that innovation allows.

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