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This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 6:13:02 AM

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Modern man had sex with Neanderthals

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 8:10:48 AM

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Can you doubt it? Some men would have sex with anything that holds still long enough.

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 8:16:21 AM

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*raises hand....
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* shakes head...
* snorts coffee over self*

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 12:15:33 PM

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FR, after amused read thru

Okay, the $64,000 question (carbon-dating myself much?) is, cross-species fertility?

I'm most familiar with mules & hinnies, which are the sterile offspring of horses mated with donkeys, a similar case.

In the case of mules & hinnies the mismatch between the number of chromosomes in horse DNA (64) & donkey DNA (62) does not prevent cross-species fertility, but:

Mules and Hinnies have 63 chromosomes that are a mixture of one from each parent. The different structure and number usually prevents the chromosomes from pairing up properly and creating successful embryos.

So, one of the big questions for a long time in Neanderthal-related anthro is, did they contribute genes to the modern human lineage thru cross-breeding, or not? & which question is what the article is referencing . . . . .

For me, then, the most pertinent question is where did Neanderthals fit onto the continuum of libidinous behaviors? In my head that scale for primates has our ribald cousins, the bonobos (chimps) at the extreme-orgy end, & the rather more restrained gorillas on the other, more staid side . . .. . . The common chimp is over on the more sexualized end of things with us humans, & I wonder where Neanderthals would fit? That insight would be relevant to the question of cross-breeding possibilities . . . . ..

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 2:28:55 PM

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 2:30:16 PM

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True but I think they'll first have to find proof of Neanderthal/modern gene mixes to begin to answer it.

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 3:45:04 PM

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Yeah, that's what they're in the midst of now, using all the modern genetic tools to figure out what if any linkages occurred. Gonna take a while to get definitive results, most likely. The article referenced somethin' or other in that direction bein' underway . . .. .

Sometimes I get so impatient with science, lol . . .. Hurry up, I want more results, now, with *foot stomp*; fat lot of good that does . . . . .

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 5:14:23 PM

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I hate to have another rant about modern reporting, but Prof. Paabo was simply stating a hunch, with no supporting evidence. It was reported as though he had a theory with data to support it.

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RE: This explains a great deal... - 10/26/2009 6:06:02 PM

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Pretty standard scientist posturing, yes, Steven (excerpted from the article at the link):

Prof Paabo ... made the claim at a conference in the Cold Springs Laboratory in New York.

...is seeking to prove his theory by examining Neanderthal fossils for traces of modern man's DNA. But if Neanderthal DNA existed in modern man's genes, he believes it will have been diluted below detectable levels.

His findings will be published in his analysis of the Neanderthal genome shortly.

Scientists can be grandstanding ego-maniacs, it kinda goes with the territory sometimes. & what he'd doing may not pan out . .. . . But that question, Neanderthals & homo sapiens did they or didn't they, is one of the big questions in that particular field . . . . . .

I would love much better science journalism, but I'm neither holding my breath nor noticing anything peculiarly excreble in that article . .. . . It wasn't Scientific American, but then they keep their knowledge tucked away behind a pay-wall, so we're stuck with the free dregs . . . . .

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