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tazzygirl -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/26/2009 3:55:59 PM)

If its gross profit, then, no, it doesnt include bonuses and such.

If its net profit, then, typically, it does.

Here is a link to Aetna's profit margin in 2005
"HMO blue had the weakest financial performance of any plan. It barely broke even on an underwriting
basis, but its strong investment gains produced a net profit. Financial results at both HMO Blue and
BCBSMA were lower than in previous years."




rulemylife -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/26/2009 4:39:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If its gross profit, then, no, it doesnt include bonuses and such.

If its net profit, then, typically, it does.

Here is a link to Aetna's profit margin in 2005
"HMO blue had the weakest financial performance of any plan. It barely broke even on an underwriting
basis, but its strong investment gains produced a net profit. Financial results at both HMO Blue and
BCBSMA were lower than in previous years."


I saw this article a few days ago, the one Sanity posted is an update of the original, and I thought when I first saw it the whole thing is just a game with numbers.

For one, he tries to equate position in the Fortune 500 rankings with profit margin.

He mentions HealthSpring posting a 5.4% profit margin last year.  Wal-Mart produced only a little higher at 5.8%.

Yet Wal-Mart was #1 on the Fortune 500 list while HealthSpring was #849.

The main thing is he is grouping together a number of companies without regard to their size or market share while reporting a 2.2% profit margin for the health insurance industry as a whole.







tazzygirl -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/26/2009 4:44:31 PM)

Problem is, they are playing word games too.  Without coming out and saying what is included and what isnt... well... imagine how much healthier those companies would look with the bonuses included?




Politesub53 -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/26/2009 4:52:04 PM)

I love the idea of peoples health being measured against the cost of tupperware.  No wonder Europe is going down the tubes.




tazzygirl -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/26/2009 4:55:57 PM)

Health care never should have been made "for profit"




Hillwilliam -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/27/2009 3:01:41 PM)

Ottertail, I can dig up links "proving" that the world is flat and the sun is purple and that I am the illegitimate child of a space alien and bigfoot and Rush Limbaugh  (they had a threesome).  Does that make it the truth?   I have a strange feeling that you might be either an attorney or at least bvery close to one... Am I right?




mnottertail -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/27/2009 3:23:42 PM)

I have often had need to use mouthpieces, voiceboxes, neckties, shysters, whatever you wanna call 'em, but no, I ain't really in the industry.

Ron




Brain -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/29/2009 6:48:26 PM)


I clicked on that link and this article looks suspicious to me. I would have to review the financial statements of these companies before I believe this to be true. In accounting you can have extraordinary gains and losses and different ways of taking depreciation and manipulating income. So I think this needs to be to be investigated and fact checked because the preponderance of evidence indicates the contrary.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Looks like we've been getting some bad spin.


quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry. In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.

(Full article here).









tazzygirl -> RE: FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat (10/29/2009 7:07:43 PM)

Lets see... 35th top Industry per Fortune 500... Household and Personal Products.

6th... Insurance: Property and Casualty (stock)  -- Growh In revenues
16th for Growth in Profits

25th ... Health Care, Insurance and Managed Care -- Growth in Profits
27th for Growth in revenues...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2008/performers/industries/fastgrowers/index.html

yeah, Brain, the numbers arent factual.




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