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tazzygirl -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 11:59:04 AM)

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windchymes -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 1:54:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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It's already been done! [:)]

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tazzygirl -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 2:01:47 PM)

ok.. thats just.. disturbing




SpinnerofTales -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 4:02:21 PM)

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You know Spinner...if the person IS called a bigot, it is not a mentality...it is a fact.
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant



And it it's used to score cheap points in a discussion, it's a tactic.





rulemylife -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 8:47:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

In the context of that article it seemed like what it was - a vague smear. "We have no real proof there is racist intent but Obama is black so it must be there somewhere". Personally I don't really have any problem with the race card being played even by buffoons like Jimmy Carter. The more often it is played the less powerful it becomes. Most intelligent people of both races can tell when it is legitimate. The sad downside to that is what happens when there is a genuine issue of racist behavior somewhere. Peter learned that lesson too late in his dealings with the wolf. If people want to squander it until it becomes meaningless I cannot stop them.

We are going to continue to see many more of the type of statements similar to the one in that article in the coming months and years. It really was inevitable. It's an easy cheap shot that doesn't have many good comebacks. Wasn't it Voltaire who said "If there were no God man would have to invent one." or words to that effect? 




I have absolutely no idea what you just said.

Was there a coherent point somewhere in there between Jimmy Carter, Peter and the wolf, and Voltaire?




VioletGray -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 9:22:17 PM)

I agree with the overall point of the linked article, but the term' "potentially racist" is stupid.  Racism is the act of using authority to discriminate on the basis of race.  The ACT.  Which means you did something.  Therefore, "potentially racist" is an oxymoron.  You never hear anyone say, "I was really hungry, but I think Ralph potentially ate my sandwich".  I know saying "The vitriol displayed by some who oppose Obama has racist undertones," but it sounds a lot less paranoid and it's true. 




umustbkidding -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 9:24:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

I agree with the overall point of the linked article, but the term' "potentially racist" is stupid.  Racism is the act of using authority to discriminate on the basis of race.  The ACT.  Which means you did something.  Therefore, "potentially racist" is an oxymoron.  You never hear anyone say, "I was really hungry, but I think Ralph potentially ate my sandwich".  I know saying "The vitriol displayed by some who oppose Obama has racist undertones," but it sounds a lot less paranoid and it's true. 


and "perhaps it doesnt" which is also true.




Blaakmaan -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 9:35:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

I agree with the overall point of the linked article, but the term' "potentially racist" is stupid.  Racism is the act of using authority to discriminate on the basis of race.  The ACT.  Which means you did something.  Therefore, "potentially racist" is an oxymoron.  You never hear anyone say, "I was really hungry, but I think Ralph potentially ate my sandwich".  I know saying "The vitriol displayed by some who oppose Obama has racist undertones," but it sounds a lot less paranoid and it's true. 


Yes, it is true.

Kudos to you for having the courage to say so.

This can be a VERY hostile place for such statements.

So, be prepared...




TheHeretic -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 9:40:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

"The vitriol displayed by some who oppose Obama has racist undertones," but it sounds a lot less paranoid and it's true. 



"Racist undertones."  Sounds like there is a potential accusation brewing, Vio.  A "nothing we can actually put our finger on" sort of charge.

Bear in mind that the standard of vitriol we need to measure against has been set at "rabid and insane."  Bear in mind that in this climate, a website which compares the physical characteristic of the President of the United States to a chimpanzee was completely ok.  No filthy name, no vile caricature was too extreme.  That is where the bar was set before President Obama came to office.  That's where the bar will be for him.  I don't like that one bit, but my ability to stop it is mighty fucking non-existent.

Let me offer an alternate definition of racism, too.  Having a different set of rules because of the color of the President's skin. 





VioletGray -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/28/2009 9:54:47 PM)

Well, I did take care to say "some."  And there are definitely some.  Remember the republican politician who landed in hot water after he circulated a photo-shopped e-mail of the White House lawn turned into a watermelon patch?  Now sure he was only a mayor, but he was still someone who got elected to public office.

And once again, I think that it is the vitriol that accompanies some people's criticisms of Obama, whether the criticism is valid or not, that leads people to suspect racism, even if the person doesn't realize it.  When Clinton was in office he met with a lot of opposition by the Right, and many were disdainful of him, as they would be of any adversary in a war of ideologies.

With Obama however, some of those same people are panicked.  At least it's the impression I get.  I mean really? Tea Parties?  I think that there are republicans who would rather see a republican in power, and try to combat Obama's liberal ways in any way possible because they don't agree with his politics.  That's fine, that's what America is all about, all conservatives are simply ideological opposites, not racists, unless they prove otherwise.  But I think it's fair to say that there are older, white, middle-to-upper class men who are chafing under these changing times.  And it's a human thing.  People in power are uncomfortable with change that they didn't introduce.

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"Racist undertones."  Sounds like there is a potential accusation brewing, Vio.  A "nothing we can actually put our finger on" sort of charge.

Bear in mind that the standard of vitriol we need to measure against has been set at "rabid and insane."  Bear in mind that in this climate, a website which compares the physical characteristic of the President of the United States to a chimpanzee was completely ok.  No filthy name, no vile caricature was too extreme.  That is where the bar was set before President Obama came to office.  That's where the bar will be for him.  I don't like that one bit, but my ability to stop it is mighty fucking non-existent.

Let me offer an alternate definition of racism, too.  Having a different set of rules because of the color of the President's skin. 




There's nothing wrong with a  "nothing we can actually put our finger on" sort of charge because each of us is entitled to our opinion, and you don't have to except mine as truth, I'm just saying that  what I've seen gives me this impression.  

I think your argument ignores certain realities of race and history.  The reason the depiction of Bush as a chimp didn't have quite the same 'bite' as the depiction of Obama is a chimp is because blacks have had their humanity called into question time and time again via comparison to animals.  There was more offense because of the context.  Bush had 8 years to make people hate him.  And this was coming off a sky-high approval rating immediately after September 11th.  Which he squandered on a highly controversial war and other things. Obama seems to generate such fierce opposition in less than a year!

Also I think that in some way your definition for racism actually coincides with mine.  The whole point is that some of his opposition does have seperate rules for him based on the color of his skin.  Maybe not all, maybe not most, but to say it isn't there at all is unrealistic.  In my opinion, of course.





Musicmystery -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 1:03:03 AM)

Reminds me of that silly Southern disclaimer game:

"Now, you know I love her dearly, and I would never gossip, but that Mary Ellen is a slut, bless her heart."

I think these morons are dumber every day. Bless their potential hearts.




rulemylife -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 7:14:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Bear in mind that the standard of vitriol we need to measure against has been set at "rabid and insane."  Bear in mind that in this climate, a website which compares the physical characteristic of the President of the United States to a chimpanzee was completely ok.  No filthy name, no vile caricature was too extreme.  That is where the bar was set before President Obama came to office.  That's where the bar will be for him.  I don't like that one bit, but my ability to stop it is mighty fucking non-existent.



Assuming I agree with the whining about how badly Bush was treated, which I don't, it is very much in your power to stop it.

Yet you come on here with moralistic nonsense about how "No filthy name, no vile caricature was too extreme",
while you perpetuate the same about Obama, apparently on a crusade for justice for conservatives.








CreativeDominant -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 7:57:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

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You know Spinner...if the person IS called a bigot, it is not a mentality...it is a fact.
ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant



And it it's used to score cheap points in a discussion, it's a tactic.


True..yet still a tactic that many on the left...Jimmy Carter, Al Sharpton, The Reverend Jesse, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, posters on here.

It is claimed that the vitriol with which disagreement with Obama's policies is expressed is the indicator for racism.  That is tied with the panic that people feel.  How does either one tie in to racism unless someone WANTS it to be so or unless someone cannot grasp the concept that for some people, socialistic policies ARE enough to scare them...are repugnant enough to draw vitriolic statements?  It appears as if some people are unable to grasp this concept so there must be another reason beneath the contempt for the policies and that reason---of course---must be racism towards the man behind those policies.

That is cheap thinking.




popeye1250 -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 9:34:31 AM)

Damn! I had the "potential" to hit the Powerball Lottery last night but,...I didn't.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 4:15:42 PM)

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It is claimed that the vitriol with which disagreement with Obama's policies is expressed is the indicator for racism. That is tied with the panic that people feel. How does either one tie in to racism unless someone WANTS it to be so or unless someone cannot grasp the concept that for some people, socialistic policies ARE enough to scare them...are repugnant enough to draw vitriolic statements? It appears as if some people are unable to grasp this concept so there must be another reason beneath the contempt for the policies and that reason---of course---must be racism towards the man behind those policies.

That is cheap thinking. ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant



And I would say that there are about as many racists who oppose Obama as there are fools claiming that all opposition to Obama is racist. I personally hold to my belief that opposition to Obama's policies is based on racism far less than the racism we have seen demonstrated is based on opposition to his policies. I see a vast difference between the two of them. I however, remain one who only makes the claim of racism when there is no other reasonable explanation to an action or statement.

Obama is in favor of diplomacy instead of thoughtless agression. He is in favor of reforming a healthcare system that is profoundly broken. He is in favor of letting women have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies and for policies that are not blatantly in favor of the richest percentiles of our society. Of course conservatives hate him for those "socialist" ideas. It is completely against their headlong desire to return America to the good old day of the robber barons of the nineteenth century.




Raiikun -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 5:09:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Of course conservatives hate him for those "socialist" ideas. It is completely against their headlong desire to return America to the good old day of the robber barons of the nineteenth century.



I wonder how many people realize faulty generalizations like this are every bit as bigoted as racism itself is.




TheHeretic -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 7:28:30 PM)

Pointless, counterproductive post deleted.


Here is some video of a cute, flustered, reporter, instead.  Enjoy!




Acer49 -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 7:38:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So I'm reading some online commentary at lunch today, and I stumble upon a nifty phrase.  "Potentially racist."  You can find the article here, with the words in the lead paragraph, but my interest is more in the phrase itself.

What is that supposed to mean, exactly?  Potentially racist?  It refers to something said by those opposed to President Obama?  Is that all it takes? 

My personal feeling is that way too many people are way to eager to shriek "racism."  When they can't do that, or can't get it to stick, as with the Obama/Joker art, they fall back to it being "suggestive" of racism, or, as with this, "potentially" racist.  I think it is mostly a counterproductive crock of shit. 


Just because I think some of obama's ideas are lacking in merit, does not make me a racist potential or otherwise




slvemike4u -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/29/2009 11:10:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales



Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...so now conservatives are stating that anyone who criticizes their criticism of the President is calling them "racist"?  Where has that begun happening?  Are there news sources to prove that is what conservatives are doing?  I know there are news sources that cite the liberal claims that any criticism of Obama has "racist" tones underneath...ala Jimmy Carter.  But where is the proof that conservatives are now using this tactic?


Try reading the postings in the threads for good anecdotal evidence, CD. Or just continue to pretend it doesn't exist.

Actually Spinner, what you will find in terms of anecdotal evidence are posts in which:
Conservative calls Obama's policies misguided, wrong-headed or out and out B. S.
Progressive (such as rml, lucy, slavemike, etc.) calls the conservative's view "racist"
Conservative defends themselves by stating it is the POLICIES that they are in disagreement with, not the color of the man's skin
Progressive says that is a lie because 'no one could NOT be in love with these enlightened policies' so the disagreement MUST stem from a racist viewpoint

Now in those cases, yes...I WOULD say that the conservatives are stating that the criticism directed at them is purely based on stating that their viewpoint is racist.

But I tell you what Spinner...you are the one who mentioned anecdotal evidence.  Why don't you bring forth a post by a conservative, and then the post in which the conservative was criticized by a progressive WITHOUT the use of the term "racist" and then show the post in which the conservative said that the progressive was calling him a racist when the progressive did not?

Speaking solely for myself(the others are quite capable of defending themselves if they so choose)I would ask you CD to cite one thread where I called one of our conservitive posters views racist.Just one CD,thats all you need do...find one post where I responded to an honest conversation over policy by resorting to accusing someone of racism.
I'll be waiting to hear back from you...with either a link or an apology....either way I have a feeling hell will freeze over before you respond.




rulemylife -> RE: "Potentially" Racist (10/30/2009 12:05:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Pointless, counterproductive post deleted.


Here is some video of a cute, flustered, reporter, instead.  Enjoy!


Yes, I know.

When you don't have an answer you try to deflect the question, as always.




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