porcelaine
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ORIGINAL: sravaka
But.... is this going too far? There's innate slaviness that gives itself freely and *generally* (I envy that, though it also frightens me), and innate slaviness that requires a particular (safe) context. A context where it is understood, and used accordingly. And, I think, there is yet another slaviness that thrives on *not* being known excessively intimately.
i view these contexts differently than described. i don't separate them because i believe each is present in the individual. the portions you view as free may be things that they don't find difficulty surrendering or areas they are naturally compliant. responding obediently may not be a struggle where these things are concerned. however, when you broach the areas that are hot zones that house fears, insecurities, or possible limits that the person has not surrendered, the methods will change and constant reassurance is often provided to help the person take His hand and let go.
as you know it can be a struggle or a tug-o-war even, but at some point if we're using IE as our guide it would occur. because she's already been externally enslaved. the latter portion are merely the unknowns you get in any relationship. i don't think it is possible to know everything and you'll inevitably stumble onto things you didn't anticipate at all. or situations, feelings, etc that she has never mentioned and elected to be silent about. if you look at yourself you can probably see all three at play. anyone that owns you will encounter this and much more.
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Perhaps some here would exclude that middle group from the ranks of "slaves." And yet, I am sure that plenty of this description can and have served the right Masters extraordinarily well and thoroughly.
i don't. relational slavery exists because that Person compels the submissive to a deeper state of surrender and she willingly allows it. where she may not desire the same from another and could openly resist the process when attempts are made. in this situation with this Individual she has chosen not to do so.
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how and in what ways do you have to know your slave to view yourself as owning him/her? How (this for subs/slaves) do you have to be known to feel owned?
this is difficult for me to answer because articulating what makes it possible is hard. there is something, a feeling i have and it relates to how the Person touches me internally. it surpasses the mental and physical, i can't say it is spiritual at all, nor wholly emotional. but it is definitely a connection i feel that resonates and isn't fleeting. it lingers and draws me in magnetically.
i recognize it because it usually brings out behaviors that are atypical for me. it is almost as if this Person pushes my buttons, hits triggers, etc. without any articulation of such between us. He merely affects me on many levels. at times i will feel skittish, want to run away, find myself topsy turvy, and generally unsettled. which i'm sure you recognize as resistance. i react and lose everything i knew before and feel as if i'm on auto pilot. of course i look back and wonder what i was thinking because i'm able to see clearly what is taking place.
i feel frustrated because i know what's happening and it is because "it" is happening and i can't control it, stop it, or change my desire for it, that i am in a state. i'm forced to confront the burgeoning knowledge that this Person has the skill and capacity to own my flesh. every inch of it. it is almost intoxicating because He is hard to resist and i really don't want to. i want Him to do everything He's doing. that's where it starts. if that is missing, i don't honestly believe that Person would own me.
this winds down once i tire myself out and find that there is no where to run and this is it. generally i'm engulfed in silence and my mind realigns and my ears sharpen and i hear Him. i listen attentively and notice my movements are slower, more intentional. there's a flow that begins to happen that He inspires. as i become more settled, the process of mutual unveiling continues. He will secure me in a manner that makes it clear i am His. i don't resist and am innately aware of His competence and commitment to our pairing. i don't have a time frame for this. i think it depends on a lot of factors and the methods He uses with me in the beginning.
i can be incredibly compliant without any work or emotion involved. i'm merely obeying and doing so because it pleases Him and i prefer that. however, i view enslavement as all encompassing and believe if the other facets of my person are not engaged, it really isn't surrender in my mind. i'm merely giving this Person pieces of me rather than the whole thing instead. i don't have a predetermined idea on what He should know, because i view the Owner as One who determines these things. i expect He will assess His property and make adjustments along the way. when i am in this mindset i get out of His way and trust in Him to lead completely. my mind is no longer a controlling element when we reach this point and the beginnings of Ownership can take root. i move in accordance to Him, not myself. so in a weird way, articulating what He should know is kind of uncanny. the claiming process in itself yields a lot of information about me that will definitely provide a springboard for Him. what He does with it and where it leads us is solely His to choose.
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