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Chaingang -> What happened to FEMA? (3/8/2006 2:28:48 PM)

"Looting Homeland Security"

Katrina may have been a natural disaster -- but President Bush created the bungled response by gutting FEMA and turning the nation's security over to corporate cronies and for-profit contractors

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/8952492/looting_homeland_security?rnd=1141856738234&has-player=unknown

...

From decent performance under Clinton to utter lunacy under Bush...




MHOO314 -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/8/2006 6:43:05 PM)

Not enough martinis to get Me started on this one as I look at My home devastated and forgotten.




BanginPapa -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/9/2006 9:39:10 AM)

I thin they turned that organization and the Ambassadorship to Colombia over to Marion Berry...




Chaingang -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/9/2006 2:57:20 PM)

Oh good...that'll fix everything...

"Bush Orders DHS to Create Center for Faith-Based Aid"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030702065_pf.html




Craftsman -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/9/2006 11:05:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Oh good...that'll fix everything...

"Bush Orders DHS to Create Center for Faith-Based Aid"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030702065_pf.html

Is there a problem with trying to remove barriers that stand between disaster relief funds and the people who need them?

If channelling relief through faith based as well as other mentioned social and relief organisations is not acceptable, what would you suggest is the proper approach?




JohnWarren -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/10/2006 1:30:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Craftsman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Oh good...that'll fix everything...

"Bush Orders DHS to Create Center for Faith-Based Aid"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030702065_pf.html

Is there a problem with trying to remove barriers that stand between disaster relief funds and the people who need them?

If channelling relief through faith based as well as other mentioned social and relief organisations is not acceptable, what would you suggest is the proper approach?


Tax money that goes to those who discriminate can't be used by government agencies that doen't. This sort of thing will just weaken FEMA more.

The churches and such did a fine job without having access to non-believers' pockets. Let's say that Christian group that shows up at veteran's funerals to heckle the family decided to open a soup kitchen.

Frankly, I'm not even in favor of tax exemptions for churches. Look at the "wonderful" work Scientology has done... supported by not having to pay taxes





brightspot -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/10/2006 2:06:56 AM)

Could that be;

Fine
Example
of a
Malfunctioning
Administration

?


*Brightspot




truesub4u -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/10/2006 8:08:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

Could that be;

Fine
Example
of a
Malfunctioning
Administration

?


*Brightspot


And Brightspot says it all..... yep... that's what it says to me too.




Arpig -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/10/2006 8:38:18 AM)

I love your acronyms [:D][:D][:D][:D]

In fact, so much so that I think i will start a thread for that sort of thing in the humour section




Craftsman -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/10/2006 2:51:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


quote:

ORIGINAL: Craftsman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Oh good...that'll fix everything...

"Bush Orders DHS to Create Center for Faith-Based Aid"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030702065_pf.html

Is there a problem with trying to remove barriers that stand between disaster relief funds and the people who need them?

If channelling relief through faith based as well as other mentioned social and relief organisations is not acceptable, what would you suggest is the proper approach?


Tax money that goes to those who discriminate can't be used by government agencies that doen't. This sort of thing will just weaken FEMA more.

The churches and such did a fine job without having access to non-believers' pockets. Let's say that Christian group that shows up at veteran's funerals to heckle the family decided to open a soup kitchen.

Frankly, I'm not even in favor of tax exemptions for churches. Look at the "wonderful" work Scientology has done... supported by not having to pay taxes



As it happens, I agree with you. We cannot allow any agency that is bound by law and duty to struggle against discrimination to channel aid through those who do discriminate. That is a pretty wide-cutting blade, however.

The American Red Cross, of which I am not only a supporter but a long-time volunteer, does get official recognition, at least, from the federal disaster relief agencies. I don't know how it is in this country, but in the San Salvadore earthquakes some years back, ARC was selling supplies, not giving them to those who needed them. Is this discrimination?

The courts often mandate participation in Alcoholics Anonymous or other treatment and self-help programs. Many of these have a religious and/or spiritual basis. Is this a tacit discrimination against the atheist, since AA is based on the concept of "turning our lives and our wills over to the care of God."?

I agree that FEMA was and is weakened. I also know I was with a medical team in a staging area, waiting to get assignment and clearance to enter the disaster area. We were kept in staging for over 12 days. We were kept there by people who did not have FEMA identification. We were kept there by people who identified as State and Local Law Enforcement. To keep a long comment short, those of us whoi were there tell a different story from those who were not there.

I don't know what the answers are. I doubt many do. I've heard it said that there are as many opinions on any given subject as there are anal sphincters. I personally wonder how it can be that in government in general and in the general population that the the number of horses is exceeded by a large amount by horses' hindquarters.

Bottom line of my thinking --- there is a level of corruption in both the public and the private sectors. The people, the victims, are the ones who pay the price, not the politicians or the CEOs. It would be nice to have answers, but I doubt they will be forthcoming from those who position themselves as leaders.

Sorry for the rant. I'm not attacking anyone, nor am I arguing. I certainly don't know much about much.




Chaingang -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/16/2006 3:29:30 PM)

"Study: Bush Rejected More Storm Loans"
http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/03/14/ap2594836.html

The White House has rejected hurricane disaster-recovery loans at a higher rate than any other administration in the last 15 years, according to a congressional study by Democrats.

The report, expected to be released Wednesday, said business and home loan approval rates averaged about 60 percent after Hurricane Andrew devastated much of south Florida in 1992. The trend continued through the rest of President George H.W. Bush's administration and into the Clinton administration, according to Democratic members of the House Small Business Committee.

After Hurricane Wilma surged ashore in south Florida last year, the approval rate for low-interest, taxpayer-guaranteed loans by the Small Business Administration had dropped to barely 15 percent. Overall, Democrats said, approval rates for home and business disaster loans since 2004 have averaged about 35 percent.

...

Go Team America!




Lordandmaster -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/16/2006 4:25:45 PM)

I'm getting really tired of federal support that's earmarked for faith-based shit and have to wonder why as a nation we continue to tolerate it. Humanitarian aid to places like Africa and Southeast Asia now just flows into this or that newly constituted faith-based organization, and study after study has shown that they accomplish less and spend more than the old-fashioned grassroots organizations that don't worry about converting people to Christianity.

Here's just one of MANY examples:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17963

All this is in addition to the fact that we are supposed to observe the doctrine of separation of Church and State.

Lam

quote:

ORIGINAL: Craftsman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Oh good...that'll fix everything...

"Bush Orders DHS to Create Center for Faith-Based Aid"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030702065_pf.html


If channelling relief through faith based as well as other mentioned social and relief organisations is not acceptable, what would you suggest is the proper approach?





JohnWarren -> RE: What happened to FEMA? (3/16/2006 5:48:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I'm getting really tired of federal support that's earmarked for faith-based shit and have to wonder why as a nation we continue to tolerate it.


It's particularly galling because the people who chose to donate to these places don't have to pay taxes on the money and the money the organizations pick up through fees (yes they do charge fees; usually to the local government) are also tax free.

They've already taken money from the government; they don't need more.




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