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They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 12:22:07 PM

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This video says a lot.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 2:12:53 PM

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Take a look at the video. Another hopelss clusterfu*k.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 2:19:35 PM

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Lot of us agree, that it is was and could only be a clusterfuck, we should have said, stay in your country, you step out of it for anything, we blow your ass into a hole and thats that.

call it a day.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 2:23:23 PM

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Add to this, the resignation of Matthew Hoh, a Foerign Service officer and former Marine Corps Captain who served in Afghanistan:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/10/27/DI2009102703143.html

Shorter version:
Yankee soldier- "Why do you rebels hate us so much?"
Confederate soldier:" This is my land- and you're standing on it."

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 6:41:11 PM

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Lot of us agree, that it is was and could only be a clusterfuck, we should have said, stay in your country, you step out of it for anything, we blow your ass into a hole and thats that.

call it a day.

Sounds like a plan to me.

This headline from todays NYT :

"Evaluations of the American training program describe an overstretched enterprise struggling to help the poorly led, largely illiterate and often corrupt Afghan forces."

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 6:48:50 PM

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Btw, for anyone interested, NPR ran a special report on Afghanistan today, including a wide range of plans from very different people.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 6:52:05 PM

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quote:

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Add to this, the resignation of Matthew Hoh, a Foerign Service officer and former Marine Corps Captain who served in Afghanistan:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/10/27/DI2009102703143.html

Shorter version:
Yankee soldier- "Why do you rebels hate us so much?"
Confederate soldier:" This is my land- and you're standing on it."

Thanks Rex. I saw Mathew Hoh interviewed on TV.

Also wish to show this again from the earlier thread, thanks to mnottertail:

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!
Rudyard Kipling

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/5/2009 6:57:11 PM

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Btw, for anyone interested, NPR ran a special report on Afghanistan today, including a wide range of plans from very different people.

Odd to see Kerry as a WarHawk, isn't it? Whoda thunkit?
And this little item:

November 4, 2009 An Afghan policeman opened fire on British soldiers in the volatile southern province of Helmand, killing five before fleeing, British and Afghan authorities said Wednesday. The shooting raises concerns about discipline within the Afghan forces and possible infiltration by insurgents.

mission creep
slippery slope
quagmire
bodybags

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/13/2009 9:18:22 PM

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This video says a lot.

I agree... I gave well over $400 to the Obama campaign and dedicated over 40 hours of my life. This was a big deal for me. Before I have not been active at all - never 1 political donation... (Fuck the government) was my belief.

But, ending this war and health care were too important issues to not fight for.

I think Obama seems to be another shit politician. However, I am still confident he was a much better choice.

The only good news is the longer we stay the more US soldiers will die. More husbands, fathers, wives and sons. Hopefully when your _____ or a friends . .. dies we will realize enough is enough.

The anger, hate, rage & curiosity which arises from having a loved one killed in this war can and is being used to our advantage. I knocked doors, wrote, made calls and donated money - it did not work. I am not really sure what type of outlook to have other than this morbid reality.

A father or wife sent home in a ziplock bag because the rest of the parts could not be found is motivation at it's finest - it can quickly make people passionate about ending an unjust war.. Sure some sick delusional people think their death was meaningful, glorious, gods will or something to be proud of. But, I do not think the majority do.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/13/2009 11:38:22 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

This video says a lot.

I agree... I gave well over $400 to the Obama campaign and dedicated over 40 hours of my life. This was a big deal for me. Before I have not been active at all - never 1 political donation... (Fuck the government) was my belief.

But, ending this war and health care were too important issues to not fight for.

I think Obama seems to be another shit politician. However, I am still confident he was a much better choice.

The only good news is the longer we stay the more US soldiers will die. More husbands, fathers, wives and sons. Hopefully when your _____ or a friends . .. dies we will realize enough is enough.

The anger, hate, rage & curiosity which arises from having a loved one killed in this war can and is being used to our advantage. I knocked doors, wrote, made calls and donated money - it did not work. I am not really sure what type of outlook to have other than this morbid reality.

A father or wife sent home in a ziplock bag because the rest of the parts could not be found is motivation at it's finest - it can quickly make people passionate about ending an unjust war.. Sure some sick delusional people think their death was meaningful, glorious, gods will or something to be proud of. But, I do not think the majority do.

Esinn I hate to be the one to tell you this....but candidate Obama clearly stated that Afghanistan was the war he would choose to fight....the job he would choose to finish...unlike Iraq which he has promised to get us out of.
Nope,he never promised to get out....he promised to finish the job and get BinLaden.

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RE: They Just Want To Be Left Alone - Afghanistan - 11/14/2009 8:38:51 AM

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When are people going to get it, war is about the profits of big business. It is only people, the voter, are swayed by the oily tongues of politicians speaking about glory and rightousness, words that in reality mean nothing.

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