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sirsholly -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:28:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Which children would you like to condem to death by stopping the vaccination programs and further research until they can further looked at to determine their necessity by you? 


Well it would thin out the herd.  !!!   Something badly needed....


wow...i can't believe you said this...




impishlilhellcat -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:34:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Viridana

Hepatitis A and B vaccines are together in one shot... You need three jabs. The first one, then one a month later and the third one 3 months later... and then you're set for life. Usually just health care workers are vaccinated as well as people in risk groups at least where I come from (but then again, I'm not from an area rich with hepatitis). 



I had to have that vaccination to go away to college believe it or not. Along with the menengitis vaccination.




pahunkboy -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:38:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
My son has autism because he was overloaded with Thimerosal.

You are simply wrong and spreading this wrong belief is exceedingly dangerous. Thimerosol is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to have nothing what so ever to do with autism.

In reality autism is most likely genetic or epigenetic in origin, IOW inherited. The primary risk factor is older father and same father sibling with autism so present specualtion is it is an epigenetic change that happens to sperm.



Oh common.  You can do better then that.   What is YOUR proof?

Read the package inserts.   Mercury is BAD for you.  What a shill for Merck/Baxter.  There is plenty of evidence on the whole autism subject.


http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/114/3/793)
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/112/3/604
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0749379703001132
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/290/13/1763
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/1/19


Looking at some of it now.

Mercury is in the new light bulbs.  break one and that is hazardous waste.   Same with a thermonator.  While I don't know how bad it is for you- I don't think it is good for you.    What also is at question is the cancer causing adjutants, the stray DNA, and the stray RNA.  Cancer from monkey cells- fetal tissue. A toxic soup.  I still say there is an over doing of vaccinations- the nose and mouth guard against many posions- when injected it bypasses the basic protection of the body.  Mercury is a known toxin.  So how much is allowable?     This study is not saying that mercury is not a toxin.- so that remains.




pahunkboy -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:40:22 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCus0zB_ilE  here is a Merck scientist that says there is cancer with in the vaccines.




calamitysandra -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:45:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Which children would you like to condem to death by stopping the vaccination programs and further research until they can further looked at to determine their necessity by you? 


Well it would thin out the herd.  !!!   Something badly needed....


wow...i can't believe you said this...


Sadly, I can.


I did my homework before making the decision for each vaccine, and I did delay some vaccinations slightly (a year). However, now that they are 5, 6, and 9 they are all fully vaccinated.
Is it risk free? No! But the dangers of the vaccines are by far less than those of the actual diseases.




estah -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:46:19 PM)

pahunkboy, I normally have no problem with your theories, you are demanding proof but not providing it to prove your side. I suggest you put up or shut up.

verity




DesFIP -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 2:50:16 PM)

You're ten years younger than I am, hunk. That means you were given the oral polio vaccine in schools and your parents were not allowed to refuse it. You probably were vaccinated against mumps also. And if you ever travelled out of the country; smallpox. yellow fever and others were mandated.

Don't give us these blatant lies about the vaccine is worse than the disease. Ever see anyone in an iron lung?




MagiksSlave -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 3:01:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

I have various opinions.

First of all it is my opinion that all children ought to be breastfed as long as possible (four years). There are lots of protective antibodies in breast milk.

Secondly - and I know this is incredibly harsh - from the point of view of the gene pool it is best if individuals that are susceptible to killer or maiming diseases are removed from the gene pool. On the other hand there are plenty of such diseases that I would like to see exterminated, like small pox, malaria, herpes, polio and hepatitis.

Thirdly, it is suspicious that lots of auto-immune diseases appear to have increased in frequency (they were always present, but rare, before) since vaccination was invented.
It is my intuition that it is better to give vaccination in repeated small doses rather than one large dose at once. (It is especially the squalene in vaccins that I and others suspect of causing autoimmune diseases, so the smaller the amount at any given time, the better; I cannot prove that, but there it is.)


LOL I love it when men come in with opinions on things such as breast feeding!!! YOU let a child suck on YOUR nipples after they have grown all their teeth in!! And in the biting stage no less (age 2-4ish) For 4 years to boot... Do men not realize that breast feeding can get PAINFULL and breast pumping IS painful?!?!? I agree with breast feeding, I think it’s the best thing you can do for your child but I’m not breast feeding no 4 year olds!!!

And no there is no proof of vaccinations being the cause of any illness at all... people were blaming Autism on it as well and there is just NO proof, you'd be hard press to sell me ANY idea without proof behind it, just hypothesizing means nothing, there has to be something backing it up.

As for vaccinations, they are important but as long as a child is breast feeding they can be put off a bit if you aren’t comfortable vaccinating your infants, but you want to be careful, you dont want your child dying of something that could have been prevented just because you were scared the vaccine might have a side effect. Not only that but you are putting other children at risk, children too young to get the vaccinations, if your child does not have it. They can become carriers, and while they may not come down sick they can still carry it and transmit it to those not so lucky.

Magik




DomKen -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 3:27:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Ever see anyone in an iron lung?

Something similiar to this came up recently. While visiting my brother and nephew it came up that a favorite teacher of my brother and I had passed away. Somehow the subject came up that she was a polio survivor and my nephew wanted to know how we could tell. It came out that my late 20's nephew had never seen anyone with a polio withered arm and didn't even know that it was possible.




cbaby -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 3:31:36 PM)

my kids (now aged 19 - 26) were all immunized when little for everything but chickenpox..that was not available (for that i just had them play with a child that had chickenpox (they caught it and developed natural antibodies, my youngest got them twice..light coverage the first time)
i believe the risks of NOT immunizing outweigh by far the risks of getting the shots and that parents or caregivers should not have an opt out option....delay yes, opt out totally, no




DomKen -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 3:37:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCus0zB_ilE  here is a Merck scientist that says there is cancer with in the vaccines.

Your claim is not supported by what the scientist actually said. The sleaze who created the video and edited it tried to gloss over the fact but if you actually simply listen only to the actual scientist he never makes any statement supportive of the claims made by the videos creator. In the future don't present this sort of crap as evidence of anything.




pahunkboy -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:03:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCus0zB_ilE  here is a Merck scientist that says there is cancer with in the vaccines.

Your claim is not supported by what the scientist actually said. The sleaze who created the video and edited it tried to gloss over the fact but if you actually simply listen only to the actual scientist he never makes any statement supportive of the claims made by the videos creator. In the future don't present this sort of crap as evidence of anything.



Conversely- when you test a vaccine one must have a control group.   The control group is not adjutants less the one virus.  It is supposed to be a placeboNot a shot with mercury, thermosil, aluminum,  squaline, formaldehyde,  and the like.    Which bring back the the autism links.  You have to have an appropriate control method.  Not a simmilliar mix of chemicals.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:28:15 PM)

Look, there are many theories about what vaccinations MAY cause but there has yet to be any proof that they are actually harmful in fact the only proof there is as far as vaccines are concered is that they PREVENT life threatening diseases!!

Magik




kittinSol -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:33:35 PM)

Quite obviously, Hunk has NOT bothered to read the (very well-written) Wired article. It's a shame: there's much to glean from it. Oh well *sigh*.




DomKen -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:37:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCus0zB_ilE  here is a Merck scientist that says there is cancer with in the vaccines.

Your claim is not supported by what the scientist actually said. The sleaze who created the video and edited it tried to gloss over the fact but if you actually simply listen only to the actual scientist he never makes any statement supportive of the claims made by the videos creator. In the future don't present this sort of crap as evidence of anything.



Conversely- when you test a vaccine one must have a control group.   The control group is not adjutants less the one virus.  It is supposed to be a placeboNot a shot with mercury, thermosil, aluminum,  squaline, formaldehyde,  and the like.    Which bring back the the autism links.  You have to have an appropriate control method.  Not a simmilliar mix of chemicals.


You're misrepresenting the research. The studies I posted studied the autism rates before and after the removal of thimerosal from the vaccines. Mulitple seperate studies of multiple seperate populations showed no link between thimerosal and autism.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:40:54 PM)

lemme try again... there is no link between Autism and vaccinations, they removed what was thought to be causing the autism and yet autism rates are rising. 1/100 births in America and thats up from a few years ago when it was 1/150.

Magik




Aylee -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:46:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Look, there are many theories about what vaccinations MAY cause but there has yet to be any proof that they are actually harmful in fact the only proof there is as far as vaccines are concered is that they PREVENT life threatening diseases!!

Magik


Well. . . except for things like smallpox and people that are allergic to eggs.  [:)]

And meningitus and people that are allergic to latex.  [:)]




MagiksSlave -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 4:55:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Look, there are many theories about what vaccinations MAY cause but there has yet to be any proof that they are actually harmful in fact the only proof there is as far as vaccines are concered is that they PREVENT life threatening diseases!!

Magik


Well. . . except for things like smallpox and people that are allergic to eggs.  [:)]

And meningitus and people that are allergic to latex.  [:)]


Allergies are a different story all together.

Magik




Aylee -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 5:27:03 PM)

Just twiting you a bit Magiks.  [:)]

But yes, vaccines do have a death rate associated with them.  However it is FAR FAR FAR less than the death rate without vaccination. 

One of the reasons that so many are given in a series is to help reduce the risk of the full blown disease. 




MagiksSlave -> RE: Vaccination of Children. (11/8/2009 5:32:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Just twiting you a bit Magiks.  [:)]

But yes, vaccines do have a death rate associated with them.  However it is FAR FAR FAR less than the death rate without vaccination. 

One of the reasons that so many are given in a series is to help reduce the risk of the full blown disease. 


Almost ALL medications have some sort of risk attached simply becuase different people's bodies react differently to them and some people just dont tolerate them well and some are allergic which can have dire results however, we are talking about cost benifit here.

Magik




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