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NihilusZero -> RE: Getting lost (11/10/2009 2:40:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

Thank you most especially to Nihilus Zero.

You're welcome. I'm glad I can be of any assistance. [:)]

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67
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  How do i find some pleasure in life that is not dependent on him?


Maybe you should find out if that's what he'd want at all. I, for instance, would not be content with that  sort of an
arrangement.


Well, put that way, it didn't sound quite right.  I have no intention, or even ability, to go outward and  seek
pleasure.  But I would like to be able to feel some pleasure in myself that is not dependent on his  reinforcement.
Like I said somewhere, it isn't that he forbids me to be affectionate, etc. He is just a rather forbidding  person,
demeanor wise. He doesn't always respond negatively to my attempts to be playful or affectionate or  spontaneous, he just doesn't respond much at all.  I perceive that as an inhibitor and being me, make  efforts to suit his tastes as I
perceive them.

I think I phrased my point poorly in this instance.

What I meant was, I would not be content in a situation where I was keeping someone who had the sense of needing to castrate certain parts of themselves if it was so innately emotionally important. I can understand the hardship of being in a good relationship that you don't want to lose...while still realizing that it may not be the best things for all parties involved. From my perspective, as a dominant, I would  place the responsibility of having my partner's best emotional interests in mind and, though no one ever wants to have to be at that crossroads, I would need to determine if choosing to part ways isn't the best way to go forward. But, I can be very analytical and absorbingly empathic in my own way, so the thought of  falling asleep with someone tormented by being where she is because of what it entails, even if I  knew she was willingly doing so out of her desire to be with me...would still give me pause.

I can't say if I would or wouldn't choose one path or the other, in that case, without actually being in the situation. But, what I meant by all this is that I don't think his natural demeanor genuinely affects what you mean to him and his concern over you and that he might have his own concerns about, not only your state and if you can capable morph, but whether you should.


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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

Okay,one example.  An old friend of mine recently asked that I do something for her to help her solve a  problem
somewhat, but not entirely, of her own making.  I have always done things for her. Yes, it's enabling, and  it imposed
quite a bit of inconvenience on several people's parts, but there was a genuine need for assistance.   Before, I would
have done it without a second thought (okay, maybe a grumble on my way out the door), but she needed me and  I would be there for her, no question and no thanks sought.  Now...I felt put-upon. I felt she should be  able to solve her
own damn problems and she had no business doing xyz in the first place. This is all my master's voice in my  head.
Yes, he allowed me to help her. He isn't cruel.  But I didn't feel kind, or friend-ish, or loving or  sympathetic
towards her. I merely felt obligated. I don't think that's a very nice person. Not very loveable.

This is one of the very difficult underlying parts of morphing such a big facet of your being: you can do it on the surface easily (your actions) but you still have the emotional value system inside that categorizes how you acted as less than ideally noble. There isn't a right or wrong answer to these issues, really. It could just as easily be argued that your "tough love" towards her in being critical is just as much an indication of care as buckling entirely to her requests.

If you do decide to go forward with the re-wiring, you're going to have to be able to give yourself a lot of leeway when it comes to how self-critical you will be because you are, essentially, building a brand new critique system.

I hope things have been settling a bit less stressfully for you.




CaringandReal -> RE: Getting lost (11/10/2009 5:02:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

Leaving is not an option.

If you have said this at all, then what you mean is: "Leaving is not my option." Meaning, if he still holds the reins, then you aren't in a position to deny him this option if it's one he would choose once being made aware of the person he has.

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

So I must come to some peace, within myself. I need some help  to be at peace with this harder, colder, emotionally contained person I have become as his slave.

Before you even begin to venture down that road you have to fully understand the construct of the decision you are making and it is one that must begin at his declaration of direction once aware of everything.

He has to understand the property (I'm using the term figuratively, so apologies if the term is not fitting with your dynamics descriptions) he has. You can't just jump into this process without understanding this or without him. You are at a crossroads where you again will choose to mold and change what/who you are at the decree of your partner. He must be fully aware of all the facets and ramifications (emotionally, mentally, sexually) of that decision based on a more thorough version of what you've already delineated here.

And then you both would choose to continue down this path with an understanding that trying to take you, as the vehicle, over a certain path may result in mechanical issues and chassis damage. But you make that decision knowing it. No excuses later. No woe for what could have been. It's the process of deciding the path that is best. You're gambling. Gamble smart (both of you).

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

And, what makes me cold as ice with fear, is that what if I find even farther down the road that I no longer have any desire to be what I have always been-a submissive girl.

That's part of the gamble. One you both should be fully aware of.

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

How can I learn to be internally driven? Internally motivated?

Actually, what you are talking about is internal delusion. Granted, the term "delusion" normally has negative connotations, but I actually mean none here. It's a process of self-rewiring that, really, happens all the time. You're just forcing it against the grain and on a hurried pace because your innards are inching further away.

Again, you gauge and understand whether the net gain of doing this re-wiring will be greater than that of letting your current wiring be. Then, you inform him of this analysis and let him make the decision.

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

I've never done that before--not as a slave.  How do i find some pleasure in life that is not dependent on him?

Maybe you should find out if that's what he'd want at all. I, for instance, would not be content with that sort of an arrangement.

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ORIGINAL: ragdoll67

How can I let go of the fear that I'm not even a "love-able" person?

Now you're confusing me. This screams of emotional insecurity gone haywire. Expand on this as to how you feel it's pertinent.


Ok, this was brilliant, honest, perceptive and addressed ragdoll's comments at exactly the level that she needed and with the tone that she needed, in my opinion. I'm... impressed.

I've nothing more to add after reading this, Ragdoll. No further advice to contribute. But for what it's worth, I do feel a lot of sympathy for you. You're facing a tough one. It may work out very well for you later, however fixed the facts of the situation seem now. These sorts of things are often quite unpredictable.




ragdoll67 -> RE: Getting lost (11/10/2009 7:46:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

Ok, this was brilliant, honest, perceptive and addressed ragdoll's comments at exactly the level that she needed and with the tone that she needed, in my opinion. I'm... impressed.


Yes, yes it did. Spot on, incredibly helpful and I am grateful for his time and insights.
Thank you for responding also. I have always found your writing here to be of the more valuable input available.

his ragdoll




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