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*oozes love for the wyldone too...*
But that's the beauty isn't it?  Not always agreeing, but loving regardless? 
hesuchia - in peace and gentleness
As women are (literaly) BIBLICALLY taught... NOT in silence.

But I am sure many will not allow the lack of translation marr their own interpretation.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJack53

how is this a response to one of my posts? do you want me to teach you? Id have to use the Bible and since you dont believe in it whats the sense in that?

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ORIGINAL: MasterJack53

as for me not being a gentleman, since I was attacked first, Ill pass on that stupidity. as for you having debated with some of the "very best" I dont doubt it. They are on this very thread? I doubt that as I havent seen it yet. I will concede the point that I may be brainwashed. Those that have had this procedure done to them dont recognize that its been done to them. However, I was 46 years old when I got saved, not 5 like the one boy in the video. And I think at 5 I only wanted more candy and soda not more from life like same said boy. I dont have any knowledge of Greek and Hebrew translations. I dont need them. I have seen videos about lost gospels, the dead sea scrolls etc and found them both enlightening and informative. I have two on hold at our local library now. "The lost gospel of Judas" both the book explaining where it was found, and the video in case Im too dumb to understand the book. I was not interpetting the Bible when I said what I said about the video "Jesus Camp", I intended to point out that it was the exception and not the rule in that they were "brainwashing" children under the age of enlightenment. That means they are too young to understand in case you might not know it. (no insult, slur or harm meant by that btw). As for manning up for what I said, I may have spoken harshly in anger and been disrespectful but I think I was just responding to a preceived insult.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
Hmm... I dunno about oozing love, esp at 1AM Cali time on a weeknight...
You are spot on about the rest, though. It would be hella boring if we all never disagreed, and worse if those disagreements got in the way of appreciating and loving each other for who we are.

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Hey, it's just after 9am here in blighty.  Now if it was 1am for me.... oozing might be a stretch...
the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJack53
I can not carry out a discourse with you about what Paul meant or didnt mean. All I can say is I read it, I asked about it, prayed about it and decised it meant that women cant be Pastors, Ministers or Preachers.

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It does say somewhere in the book though that they should be teachers of the word. I, and I cant stress strongly enough the word I, interpeted that to mean they can teach Sunday school, teach the husband about Christ and God if he is a non believer, and witness (I understand that to mean talk about to others) what they believe and have lived in their religion and faith.

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As for the apocoliptic (I think thats how it is spelt) books, I have an interest in them as they may give more insight into what I believe. Of course, they could just prove things wrong and then its back to praying. I am whats called a Revalationist as I am very interested in the book of revelation. i do know that at the council of Nicea called by King James, this section of the Bible was moved to be behind the General Epistle of Jude when it was originally before it. Why he did that I dont know but have wondered. I am in the process of converting to Mormonisim and I know that will bring on more attacks but as it has been said here many times, I am entitled to my beliefs and faith.

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 I take the Bible at its face, not searching to see if it is true. If I did that what kind of faith would I have? As I understand it, faith is believing something you can not see or touch but only feel with your heart. Do you agree?

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then you need new binoculars miss. I will be glad to send you proof of the following claims if you will accpet snail mail (as I cant get my damn scanner to work. never claimed to be a computer whiz though) I took my BCT (basic Combat Training) at Ft Knox,Ky Nov 71 to Jan 72. I attended AIT (Advanced INdividual Training) at the US Army Signal School in Ft Gordon, Ga Jan 72 to Apr 72. I graduated and received the MOS (military Occupational Specialty) of 72F Data Communications Terminal Equipment Operator.I then took an additonal 8 weeks of traing to be assigned to the armys ASA (Army Security Agency) There I was given an additonal skill Identifier of SII (sattilite image interperter) From there I was assigned to the 102nd Signal Battalion, Darmstadt Detachment until December of 72. then it was on to Holland to be assigned to the 102nd Signal Battalion, Benelux Detachment at Brunssum the Netherlands in support of AFCENT (Allied Forces Central Europe NATO) where I was in the section that supported the USLO (United States Liason Officer) a 3 star general, with intelligence, signal and communications support. Then it was back to Ft Gordon Ga for MP (Military Police) school as I had to have a secondary MOS due to the ASA being disbanded. I never served as an MP though. and that MOS was 95B. I was then assigned to the 46th Support Group(CORPS) in support of the 18th Airborne Corps at Ft Bragg,NC. From there it was back to Europe where I served with the 97th Signal Constabulary CENTAG (Central Army Group NATO) in Mannheim Germany, Coleman Barracks. the same post as the stockade was in. From there I was sent to Ft Campbell, Ky to be in the 311th Military Intelligence Battallion,525th Military Intelligence Brigade, Airborne (CEWI) (I was not a paratrooper, I didnt have the gut for it) CEWI stands for Communications Electronic Warfare and Intelligence. Then it was back to Europe where I was assigned to the 1st Battallion, 9th Field Artillary Brigade (Pershing). Pershing was a tactical nuclear missle btw. There I served as the Comsec (communications security) NCO (non commissioned officer) for a firing battery and later as Battallion Assistant COMSEC Custodian. Then it was back to Ft Bragg to serve in the 319th MI Bn, 525 MI Brigade,airborne, 18th Airborne Corps and I was the platoon Sgt and Comsec Custodian for the 319th. with this unit I was able to participate in both Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I received the Army Commendation Medal for my actions. Now as your military contacts will tell you. an ARCOM is not a high medal. actually it used to be called a bye bye award as almost everyone got it when they went from post to post. Mine, however is different, as was all ARCOMS awarded by my Bde(Brigade), in that I am authorized to wear the Bronze V device for valor indicating it was awarded for combat service in a time of conflict. I retired in December of 91 from that unit. I have been awarded the Kuwait Liberation Medal (both U.S. and Saudi Arabian versions), the Southwest Asia Service Medal (for Desert Shield and Storm), the National Defence Medal with 2 bronze star devices for serving during the vietnam conflict (which I didnt fight in) and the Desert Shield and Storm Operations, the army good conduct medal with silver knot(ask your service connections what that means), and I was awarded a medal you wont be able to verify called the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) Medal of Valor. It was, when being awarded, equal to the Armys Silver Star. I was one of only 4 active duty service members to ever recive this award. I say it cant be verified because A) it was a classified operation and B) its the CIA for crying out loud (haha). Now provide me with a snail mail addy and Ill send you what I have verifying most of what I have said here but I do believe that if your military contacts are real, they will verify that I have indeed served. I say most of because back a few years ago, a vindictive wife burned a folder holding some of my certificates and orders.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
I do know that if you believe in the bible and the teachings of christ, then you know that god is all around.  If he is all around, that means you can see and touch him.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJack53

ok Ill tell ya. Adam was created....just before Eve. HAHA? and Lilith, as believed by the Jews and some Christians, was Adams first wife. Before Eve. She was creaded from dirt just as Adam was and therefore thought she was equal to him. God banished her from the Garden and she became evil. Now this story isnt in the Bible but Rabinical Jews believe it and as I said some Christians do too. I dont know what to think of it as I havent seen anything proving or disproving the story. So please, can we not make nasty remarks or challenges to this post? It was sent in the hopes of being funny, not enlightening.

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
I do know that if you believe in the bible and the teachings of christ, then you know that god is all around.  If he is all around, that means you can see and touch him.

Ewwwwwwwww

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So, that said - where would a woman, offering the opinion that literal interpretation isn't infalible, stand in all this?

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: MasterJack53

ok Ill tell ya. Adam was created....just before Eve. HAHA? and Lilith, as believed by the Jews and some Christians, was Adams first wife. Before Eve. She was creaded from dirt just as Adam was and therefore thought she was equal to him. God banished her from the Garden and she became evil. Now this story isnt in the Bible but Rabinical Jews believe it and as I said some Christians do too. I dont know what to think of it as I havent seen anything proving or disproving the story. So please, can we not make nasty remarks or challenges to this post? It was sent in the hopes of being funny, not enlightening.

How about the position from some christian camps that adam was not created until the eighth day(maybe a few days after)?
That what was created on the 6th, were in fact 'races'?
After all, adam - translated as 'man' was created before god rested.  He then created from the earth, Adam ('ethHa'adam) after he had rested.
It's all there in Gen2.

the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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Hey, it's just after 9am here in blighty.  Now if it was 1am for me.... oozing might be a stretch...
the.dark.

LOL, are you trying to say that you are an early oozer? Seriously, one of my fave things about having friends across the pond is the time zone jokes

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue
This may help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaLF8UGr0hQ

<thinks>

Then again, it may not