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bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 1:35:50 PM   
housesub4you


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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 2:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're getting your news from an obviously bipartisan source. So, I'm not sure as to how seriously I should even take this article. Lindsey is a joke of a conservative that is actually a democrat disguised as a Republican. So, why shouldn't they censure the chameleon? If anything, this article further proves the lack of differences between the republicans and democrates.


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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 2:51:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

You're getting your news from an obviously bipartisan source. So, I'm not sure as to how seriously I should even take this article. Lindsey is a joke of a conservative that is actually a democrat disguised as a Republican. So, why shouldn't they censure the chameleon? If anything, this article further proves the lack of differences between the republicans and democrates.



You're absolutely right, Gift. This guy puts party politics aside to try to get things done. He feels working on important issues is more important than digging in his heels and hoping the country goes to hell under the current administration so that his party can get back into power. He even sees the right wing shouters of the media for what they are and doesn't treat them as if the talking heads were the one's running his party. No WAY he could be a "real" conservative.

You said it, I didn't.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 3:04:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress
You're getting your news from an obviously bipartisan source. So, I'm not sure as to how seriously I should even take this article. Lindsey is a joke of a conservative that is actually a democrat disguised as a Republican. So, why shouldn't they censure the chameleon? If anything, this article further proves the lack of differences between the republicans and democrates.

Lindsey Graham is a democrat? You might want to look into his career a little there.

Although if one of the guys who tried to impeach Clinton for a blowjob is now to liberal for the GOP who is conservative enough?

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 3:06:09 PM   
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Tough kinkroids...if anyone doesn't spout the repub party line...it's political death on a dusty road for them.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 3:26:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, any man or women that wants to shove a carbon tax on our economy during a time of recession is to me foolish and power hungry at best. This isn't partisan, this is tax heavy and stealing from the middle class agenda that has been launched since the bush years. The carbon tax doesn't follow a conservative philosophy and it doesn't make any economical sense.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/14/AR2009101404054.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1723.cfm
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=27899
http://agmetalminer.com/2009/11/10/even-friends-of-the-earth-comes-out-against-cap-and-trade/


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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 3:28:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, the time to carbon tax is when you can pass it, recession or no, because wasn't anybody passing it when they were flush.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 4:18:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cap and trade is a better solution than simply restricting each plants carbon output. If a company doesn't want to pay the 'carbon tax' they can simply find some way to reduce their CO2 emissions. If the company would rather continue emitting their present levels of CO2 then they have to go on the open market and buy CO2 emission allowances from companies that have found a way to reduce their emissions, selling the credits is one way to offset the costs for the early adopters who will help create the solutions.

Seems to me to be an eminently conservative approach to teh need to reduce CO2 emissions. The government is allowing industry to choose how to achieve the goal.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 6:36:26 PM   
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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 6:42:55 PM   
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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 7:35:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Cap and trade is a better solution than simply restricting each plants carbon output. If a company doesn't want to pay the 'carbon tax' they can simply find some way to reduce their CO2 emissions. If the company would rather continue emitting their present levels of CO2 then they have to go on the open market and buy CO2 emission allowances from companies that have found a way to reduce their emissions, selling the credits is one way to offset the costs for the early adopters who will help create the solutions.

Seems to me to be an eminently conservative approach to teh need to reduce CO2 emissions. The government is allowing industry to choose how to achieve the goal.


Where are your solution for companies to decrease their co2 emissions? I think most of them are going to either move out of this country or go bankrupt as a result of the tax and trade.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_EbBQyskKl0

“Washington is doing everything in their manpower, capability, to destroy U.S. manufacturing,” Farr said today in Chicago at a Baird Industrial Outlook conference. “Cap and trade, medical reform, labor rules.”  Emerson is a pretty big company that is leaving this nation because of these radical policies that are being forced on them. The only people that gain from these policies are the elites. I hate to burst all of your bubbles, but your not getting yours on the carbon tax.

So, here we are: no longer in a local free market system; rather, we are in a GLOBAL market system. Which means, we are COMPETING AGAINST CHINA, INDIA, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD: taxing is only going to throw us under the bus. There is not one economic benefit to this tax. It's absurd to say otherwise.

Also, Domkem perhaps you should read on the conservative philosophy because you clearly don't understand it. Taxing and more government regulation are not conservative values or principles. And, that's exactly what this cap and trade is.


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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 8:40:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		That has crossed my mind. At best, the most efficient burning of fossil fuel results in two natural substances, CO2 and water vapor. Now this is Ohio and things may be a bit different here (which could be quite the understatement) and they are now testing vehicle emissions for CO2 even though there is no limit. I believe that they are gathering data with which to impose a future tax, for vehicles. All that they need is some figures and they can tax the gas guzzlers more than the shitcans. Believe me I don't like small cars, but then there are other factors. This would probably result in less people buying the gas guzzlers.

In the same way, it takes so many BTUs of heat to melt each pound of steel for example. If I were a factory owner I would already be impelled to gain maximum efficiency if engaged in that type of operation. There is no way to do without. And if I have to pay for carbon credits or a tax it will have a similar effect. It messes up my bottom line. You want cars built here but you don't want to melt steel, process plastic, any of that high polluting shit, but you still want to build cars. What do you make them out of paper mache' ?

Now the demand for cars is going to increase as long as it can, that is by extension of MORE credit and of course peoople fucking. As they try to keep a baby boom going, they will increase the demand, simple logic. Of course with more taxation more of a percentage of the population will simply do without. So we might just be back where we started.

What's more, there are non-signatory nations who will become magnets for any large manufacturing concern. The old "giant sucking sound" will get louder. But my brain tells me that this planet does share the same atmosphere. So who cares if the pollution comes from China or the US ? I do, because I would rather we make the money rather than someone else.

I used to assert that when dealing with the government you are not playing with kids. I am going to have to carefully reconsider that statement. First of all they don't do anything right. Second of all everything they do seems to cost us in the long run.

Seems like a lose lose situation for us no matter what. If the companies don't move out of the US, that cost will be built into everything that company sells. Whether at home or abroad, it will matter and it will hurt.

We got less than three years to find a Presidential candidate with a functioning brain. Maybe we should work on congress first ?

And who writes this shit ? Surely you don't expect me to believe that people who wouldn't even read it would write it. Who are those people who write it ?

So sit back and enjoy the football games folks. Never mind that the stadium is on fire. Now I've heard that the story of Nero fiddling while Rome burned has been debunked. But really, so what if he was ?

Most politicians are predators, and so are alot of species' of birds. Ever heard the term "birdbrain" ? Birds are very hard to train to do just about anything. It seems to me that these assholes have got to be easier to beat than they look, we just haven't found the way as of yet.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 8:53:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

You're getting your news from an obviously bipartisan source. So, I'm not sure as to how seriously I should even take this article. Lindsey is a joke of a conservative that is actually a democrat disguised as a Republican. So, why shouldn't they censure the chameleon? If anything, this article further proves the lack of differences between the republicans and democrates.



If anything this article proves what redneck morons teabaggers are.

A toilet in the back of a pickup with a mannequin's lower half being flushed down it?

Yeah..........ok.

I love intelligent political discourse.  Maybe I'll join.



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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 9:04:07 PM   
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The democratic party is soon to be in their own civil war. Move ON.org will soon start to target democrats who fail to vote for Obama care. They will have a choice to make. Have ads run against them by George Soros and company for voting nea, or be voted out of office in 2010 for voting yea.


Well then, it seems like both parties are in the same boat.

Except that the extremism on the Republican right is more likely to force out moderate Republicans than the opposition in the Democratic party is likely to have much of an effect.



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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/11/2009 10:05:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gift4mistress

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Cap and trade is a better solution than simply restricting each plants carbon output. If a company doesn't want to pay the 'carbon tax' they can simply find some way to reduce their CO2 emissions. If the company would rather continue emitting their present levels of CO2 then they have to go on the open market and buy CO2 emission allowances from companies that have found a way to reduce their emissions, selling the credits is one way to offset the costs for the early adopters who will help create the solutions.

Seems to me to be an eminently conservative approach to teh need to reduce CO2 emissions. The government is allowing industry to choose how to achieve the goal.


Where are your solution for companies to decrease their co2 emissions? I think most of them are going to either move out of this country or go bankrupt as a result of the tax and trade.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_EbBQyskKl0

“Washington is doing everything in their manpower, capability, to destroy U.S. manufacturing,” Farr said today in Chicago at a Baird Industrial Outlook conference. “Cap and trade, medical reform, labor rules.”  Emerson is a pretty big company that is leaving this nation because of these radical policies that are being forced on them. The only people that gain from these policies are the elites. I hate to burst all of your bubbles, but your not getting yours on the carbon tax.

So, here we are: no longer in a local free market system; rather, we are in a GLOBAL market system. Which means, we are COMPETING AGAINST CHINA, INDIA, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD: taxing is only going to throw us under the bus. There is not one economic benefit to this tax. It's absurd to say otherwise.

Also, Domkem perhaps you should read on the conservative philosophy because you clearly don't understand it. Taxing and more government regulation are not conservative values or principles. And, that's exactly what this cap and trade is.


I've clearly read more by real conservatives than you have. Goldwater and Buckley would not be denying the facts of global warming and would be in favor of a way to limit carbon emissions by encouraging businesses to innovate, which is what cap and trade does.

The way we compete against the developing world is to get out in front of developing industries not racing them to the bottom on environmental issues, wages, benefits and standard of living.

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/12/2009 5:20:24 AM   
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bi·par·ti·san
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)bī-ˈpär-tə-zən, -sən, -ˌzan, chiefly British ˌbī-ˌpär-tə-ˈzan\Function: adjective Date: 1895 : of, relating to, or involving members of two parties ; specifically : marked by or involving cooperation, agreement, and compromise between two major political parties Something no one in the GOP understands as witnessed in the last 8 years

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RE: bipartisanship continues to weaken the Republican - 11/12/2009 5:39:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Cap and trade is a better solution than simply restricting each plants carbon output. If a company doesn't want to pay the 'carbon tax' they can simply find some way to reduce their CO2 emissions. If the company would rather continue emitting their present levels of CO2 then they have to go on the open market and buy CO2 emission allowances from companies that have found a way to reduce their emissions, selling the credits is one way to offset the costs for the early adopters who will help create the solutions.

Seems to me to be an eminently conservative approach to teh need to reduce CO2 emissions. The government is allowing industry to choose how to achieve the goal.


And all gods forbid that anyone do anything for any motive other than monetary or political.  The long-term effects of CO2 emissions (like skin cancer for one small example) knows no economic or political boundries. 

Sorry....

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