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Viridana -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 10:56:29 AM)

I think he's doing alright considering the time he has had (which is short) and the opposition. I think, seeing this from afar, that americans might have to high expectations for him and expecting things to change in a relatively too short time and as such they are guaranteeing fail. I also feel sometimes that the public are requiring him to do things, or change things, that one man just cannot do. I do think many of the changes and reforms he has put forth are good and will benefit your country in the long haul, but it takes time and effort for them to come in place. Patience is a virtue, in politics as in other corners of life. 



DomImus -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 11:34:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
Please provide some link or citation or some evidence of this. If it is true, it is disturbing (while I am very pro choice I do not view it as a birth control method). If it's an out and out lie, well then it's just par for the course for the anti-choice movement.


Pro choice. Anti choice. With all those choices in the mix you'd think someone would find room for the one choice that is missing - the baby's choice.



Musicmystery -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 11:35:34 AM)

Is there any issue at all that isn't all about abortion?

THAT'S why people stop listening.



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 11:36:34 AM)

Change can't happen as long as Americans obstruct change. We get the politicians we deserve, and sometimes, a dedicated individual or two gets sucked into the maelstrom, thinking that xhe'll be able to make a difference. Of course, xhe ends up being the butt of our ignorant jokes while we continue to wallow in our self-made cesspool... but what more can we expect from a country so deeply divided against itself that we cannot even decide that it is right and appropriate for all of our citizens to have basic medical care, whether or not anyone makes a profit over it or it costs us a few extra bucks a week.

Calla



popeye1250 -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:15:58 PM)

It's strange but Clinton *did* seem to get more done after the Republicans were swept into the House and Senate in the midterm elections.
Personally, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this, I'd like to see Pelosi and Reid gone and soon! They're certainly not "uniters."
I think President Obama needs to start making the "Changes" he promised us too!
Get us out of "NAFTA", GATT, cut way back on trade with China.
Start enforcing our immigration laws like he's *supposed* to be doing and that Clinton and Bush ignored.
Close that Mexican border.
End foreign aid.
Cut the State Dept in half.
Do away with the Energy and Education Depts.
Get our Troops out of Iraq, Afganistan, S. Korea, Germany.
When we have such high trade and budget deficits we simply *cannot afford* such things.
We need a balanced budget that *starts paying down the debt*. We can't continue to spend money that doesn't exist.
So far it looks like "Bush's third term." President Obama needs to get away from the Clinton and Bush policies and have some NEW ones.
All the above would be a great start!
How come big corporations always seem to do well no matter who's in office and "The People" be damned?
He never should have bailed out big corporations with our Taxdollars! We have "Bankruptcy Laws" in place just for such occaisions.
It's not about "keeping wealthy people wealthy!"
Unless President Obama forsakes Bush's and Clinton's policies he's going to get into big trouble! They are simply not sustainable.



MasterSean69 -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:21:54 PM)

While after reading a few post here, I must say BUSH did not give a DAM about anyone in this Country except his Rich Friends. 

President Obama is doing the BEST he can with the "SHIT" that was left for him.  Don't give me an over limit credit card and tell me to pay it off!!!   Between the high interest rate, late and over limits fees, I may never pay it off!!!

I personally feel the BAILOUT was BULLSHIT!! The chips should have FALLEN wherever they fell.  Those that FUCKED the American people should have FELT the same PAIN with NO Lubricant!!!!

NAFTA and Cap and Trade policies are SCREWED and Unequal.   We/Americans have lost the majority of our manufacturing jobs and we wonder why employment is 10.2%.   If We/Americans are only manufacturing Foreign manufactures vehicles and have VERY limited TEXTILE jobs left in this country, please don't wonder where the JOBS are. 

President Obama is doing the best he can with what he was GIVEN......  Just remember BUSH left this MESS!!!!!

Abortion comments!!!!   I'm sure there is a Extremely small amount of Women here;  that would carry a baby of a Man that RAPED them and keep the baby.  If so, please let's have a TOPIC of that..... 






Brain -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:40:34 PM)

I said a few weeks ago Obama was a sell-out because the way I see it when you consider all the money they gave to Wall Street, and what a bunch of bullshit that they are too big to fail, and then they sold out to the drug companies so people have to pay more for prescription drugs and cannot import them cheaper from Canada. And if that's not enough you have that despicable worm of a human being Joe Lieberman threatening to block an up or down vote on healthcare and as far as I'm concerned Obama and the Democrats can go to hell.

Ralph Nader was right that Democrats and Republicans are both corrupt. The bottom line for me is if they do not pass a health care bill with a strong public option to drive down insurance costs then I strongly advise people vote for the Green party and progressive candidates at the earliest opportunities.

I thought because Obama was black something like this happening was virtually impossible but it appears colour doesn't matter.



popeye1250 -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:48:49 PM)

Sean69, yeah, Clinton promised us that if "NAFTA" passed it would, "produce millions of high-paying manufacturing jobs and stop illegal immigration."
We started losing jobs almost immediately! The govt was counting as "exports" the very machinery that was being shipped out of American factories to Mexico!
It's been about 14 years now and we should have gotten out of it years ago!
Everyone should be demanding from their congressmen and senators that they get us out of it immediately!



philosophy -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:49:31 PM)


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I thought because Obama was black something like this happening was virtually impossible but it appears colour doesn't matter.




......well done. Colour does, indeed, not matter. You may want to have a little internal audit and weed out any other racist elements in your thinking.



Moonhead -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:54:41 PM)

I'm very unimpressed. If he's such a communist, why hasn't he collectivised anything yet?



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:58:03 PM)

I've made no secret of my disappointment with the man. I'm afraid I've developed a pretty low opinion of his character, and I'm troubled by his detached, hands-off leadership style on critical issues - for example, I blame much of this current debacle in  the health care issue on his refusal to lay out a clear vision and get down and dirty from the outset, and while that is the most egregious example of his reluctance to roll up his sleeves and duke it out, it's by no means the only one. He picks his fights far too cautiously for me, always with one eye apparently on the polls.

One thing that I am happy about is that getting kicked around as much as he has the last couple of months seems to have knocked some of the arrogance out of him. He was far too cocky the  first few months, apparently confusing bullying with being tough. I think that's something that's come back to haunt him in his dealings with the republicans in congress, and hopefully he's learned from it. He seems to have learned not to shoot his mouth off so much about things that are none of his business (Kanye West, the Harvard professor, etc...), which is a sign that he may be getting a little more humble. We'll see.

I try to be cognizant of the fact that the man is walking into the middle of the biggest mess that any president has inherited in almost 80 years, and to cut him as much slack as i can on that. But at the same time, the bottom line is results, and he's getting dragged around the yard and rolled in like a dead possum right now on one of the most important issues this country has faced in decades - the health care debate. He's about to fuck that up beyond the point of unfucking, and I lay the lion's share of the blame on  him. He seems to be a very intelligent man, so he may still learn from his mistakes and turn himself into a pretty good president, but he's dug himself a pretty damned deep hole. At this point I wouldn't bet a dime on him ever becoming the president I'd hoped he would be.



mnottertail -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 12:58:12 PM)

he has to take our guns away first, lets lower this level of debate to the toilet where it belongs, this is the american tradition. beerhalls and bullshit, and vituperation.

BOWS.

Konichi wa Moon san



SpinnerofTales -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 1:06:38 PM)

Deleted because the abortion argument has become a dead horse and I'm trying to give up beating it.



Brain -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 2:12:25 PM)


Liar sell-out, try googling Obama deception.

Obama Promise To End The War, 2007 - "You Can Take That To The Bank"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature=player_embedded



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Your opinions please..




rockspider -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 2:16:34 PM)

Just a tiny voice from the other side of the dam. I have always been Obama fan, but i do wait for results. Our medias here seem to elevate him to second to only messiah (and gaining). He is absolute the most popular US president since JFK in Europe, for what it is worth.
I am quite in agrement with the comment made by Zephyr. I better keep my mouth shut as what i had in mind would have been worded quite different and more blunt.[sm=blasted.gif]



Brain -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 2:23:06 PM)

I'm not perfect and it is certainly not a perfect world. I did expect Obama not to sell out his mother who was fighting with insurance companies that her cancer was not a pre-existing condition. And I did expect Obama not to forget where he came from and to be more understanding of our problems when he became elected president.

I'd also like to add I really don't like accounting/auditing.



popeye1250 -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 2:46:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rockspider

Just a tiny voice from the other side of the dam. I have always been Obama fan, but i do wait for results. Our medias here seem to elevate him to second to only messiah (and gaining). He is absolute the most popular US president since JFK in Europe, for what it is worth.
I am quite in agrement with the comment made by Zephyr. I better keep my mouth shut as what i had in mind would have been worded quite different and more blunt.[sm=blasted.gif]



Rockspider, it really doesn't matter how popular he is in Europe or not.
If he's just going to be another *mouthpiece for big business* he's going to be looking for a job in 2012!



rockspider -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 3:55:44 PM)

Well popeye I am certainly aware of that European voices counts for very little in american politics. It is really the same the other way round. But there is another side of the coin you mustn't forget.
We have got a queen. Really she does very little. Shakes hands, vawe at people and stay completely out of politics. But she is the queen of the oldest monarcy in the world. She does travel to lots of places and acts as our ambassador extraordinaire. It seems that lots of foreign countries loves been visited by some royal highness. She always gets in the various medias there and attract lots of attentions from specially the woman magazines. Well after she has returned we see a pick up in Danish export to those countries. When the crownprinse choose a aussie chick as his queen we doubled our export to Australia virtually overnight. When we had that debacle over the Muhammed Drawings our export to the midle east virtually collapsed. But the media attention made it so that many countries took up the slack. The truth being that it was actually positive to be boycotted. USA was one of nations which suddenly bought more danish cookies, bacon, butter and whatever we pedle all over the world. One negative experience you can ask a frenchman about. They made themself utterly unpopular by detonating a neuclear bomb for testing out in the Pacific. It took their industry years to recover as car sales plummeted, the wine and cheese industries couldn't give their stuff away. It took me at least 5 years before i picked a "made in France" product again.
Positiv attention counts. Negativ attention is very expensive. I know it is a queer world that Obama behavior directly affects the jobsituation on Jack Daniels. But that is the way it is.
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ORIGINAL: rockspider

Just a tiny voice from the other side of the dam. I have always been Obama fan, but i do wait for results. Our medias here seem to elevate him to second to only messiah (and gaining). He is absolute the most popular US president since JFK in Europe, for what it is worth.
I am quite in agrement with the comment made by Zephyr. I better keep my mouth shut as what i had in mind would have been worded quite different and more blunt.[sm=blasted.gif]



Rockspider, it really doesn't matter how popular he is in Europe or not.
If he's just going to be another *mouthpiece for big business* he's going to be looking for a job in 2012!




Fellow -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 5:25:30 PM)

I agree with people who predict early retirement for Obama. Obama economy decisions will be the major deciding factor.
It is impossible to justify (to people with common sense) shoveling  insane amounts of money to the Wall Street fat cats.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: What do you think of Obama now that he has been in office awhile? (11/15/2009 5:43:36 PM)

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I agree with people who predict early retirement for Obama. Obama economy decisions will be the major deciding factor.
It is impossible to justify (to people with common sense) shoveling insane amounts of money to the Wall Street fat cats.
ORIGINAL: Fellow



Except the idea that without that stimulus, the financial system would have collapsed and instead of a very nasty recession, we might well have been looking at a complete economic collapse that would have triggered far worse than we are dealing with now.

But hey, if the guy had his shit together, he would have figured out how to unravel four decades of economic plundering and the destruction of the foundations of American stability without spending a dime and taken only two months to do it.

Once again, don't predict early retirement until you see who the other side puts up against him. If there is someone with better ideas, I'll go for him as will, hopefully the voters. So far, though, I haven't seen it.




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