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Maybe it is true, that the United States does not or can not be a front runner in manufacturing these days.
That is a pity, and our loss.
 
I am glad that there are a fair number of entrepreneur's that can actually make a good living producing goods and services in the United States.
 
We really have become a nation of consumers that don't produce a great deal, that also is a pity.

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ORIGINAL: Hierodule

Well there this stuff. Its made in the USA

but I heard their factory employs mostly illegals

eh Whatevs. I like their no underwire bras for small chested ladies and their models are kinda sexy in an drugged out amateur porn kind of way.

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ORIGINAL: switch2please

Subsidized transportation and lunches, health insurance, free massages, job security, stock options... damn. No wonder they want $30 for a tshirt, even if it is super comfy and lasts forever. I can sew...maybe I should apply...

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe.

Always puzzles me that one. You'd have thought they could grow sugar cane pretty handily in Florida and Louisiana.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Maybe it is true, that the United States does not or can not be a front runner in manufacturing these days.
That is a pity, and our loss.

I am glad that there are a fair number of entrepreneur's that can actually make a good living producing goods and services in the United States.

We really have become a nation of consumers that don't produce a great deal, that also is a pity.

None of this is really true, though.
What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing.


While we like to wave our flags and pout at our treaties, the reality is that we are in a global marketplace.
I never said we were not a part of the "global marketplace" nor have I ever said we should not be involved in a global marketplace.

Every day, folks in the U.S. buy foreign goods that aren't produced in the U.S. at all. And every day, millions of U.S. citizens benefit from our large foreign markets, including for goods only made in the U.S. (especially in the computer field).

Yet, we still discuss this like it's the 19th century. Those days and approaches are simply gone.

What we will have to do (and it won't be popular), is sooner or later construct meaningful international law, and begin to consider our policies in terms of world impact and world problems. Not to do so doesn't protect us at all--it simply sticks our heads in the sand while the structural problems grow worse, and while other countries and trading blocks solve the problems their way around us and without us.

That doesn't mean we can't buy locally. We can, and many do. But as a blanket policy, it's neither reasonable nor possible.

I have zero idea where you got "blanket policy" from, but you did not get it from me, or any statement I made.
I NEVER have said I was against "globalization", I SAID it would be nice, if the United States could be more of a nation of producers, and that includes manufacturing.
Again, we can always agree to disagree.

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None of this is really true, though.
What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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None of this is really true, though.
What you think is TRUE, and what I think is TRUE, need not be the same thing.

The difference is when what you think is factually in error, not a matter of opinion.

As you were for both manufacturing and production.

Here is a pass for Musicmystery.

He is an expert on the economy, manufacturing and production.
In fact, he appears to be an expert on everything.
I know just what to do here.
You win!
Have a wonderful weekend!

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm sorry you're troubled that the wealth of readily available economic data disagrees with you.

It goes that way sometimes. That's the trouble with presenting opinion as fact.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh hell--we still impose heavy tariffs on sugar, which is dirt cheap around the globe.

Always puzzles me that one. You'd have thought they could grow sugar cane pretty handily in Florida and Louisiana.

There's a list of puzzling tariffs and subsidies. "National security" supposedly justifies a number of them--like pens, peanuts, and tuna. Others are protectionist perversions of national spats--like lumber and beer. A few others are in response to actual problems with fair competition--like dumping steel (selling excess capacity abroad at below production cost prices, just clearing materials/transportation costs).