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HunterS -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:04:45 PM)
quote: Exactly. You were wrong. The House is only half of Congress. It requires ALL of Congress (gotta add that pesky Senate part) to declare war. [quote/] You seem quite intent on picking flyshit out of pepper. Popeye stated "When the British forceably boarded American ships that in itself is an act of war. " I pointed out that ship captains may not declare war but that that was the responsibility of the House of Representatives...which is where the bill would originate before going to the Senate...would you also like to point out my typos? H.

Musicmystery -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:09:42 PM)
quote: How much is a life worth? Around $7 million, plus or minus depending on the agency doing the valuation.

HunterS -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:13:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it slightly unsettling that you would use a disparaging term to identify a branch of service that goes out of its way to assist every other branch when needed. I am sorry you are offended by the truth...but then I have sworn a sacred oath and all of that crap. H.

PolyVinyl -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:15:55 PM)
Thanks Rex. It's funny how I've seen/heard a bunch of neocons and republicans publicly and openly admire FDR...and then go onto say that Iran is the next big problem. Maybe I'm young (in fact, I know I am, which is why I'm wary of expressing opinion)...but doesn't fire beget fire? I mean it makes sense, if my family got killed by an errant missile in Iraq, I'm pretty sure I'd take my anger out on the nearest representative of the US government. I'm getting tired of hearing people refer to Iraq and Afghanistan as a debacle... it seems like the real goal is to simply tire the public out to the point that the government can do w/e they want (I'm a liberal conservative, but I think this applies to both ends of the spectrum). I mean really now, the US hasn't won a war since WWII, not in the sense that win usually implies. WTH?

PolyVinyl -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:20:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Maybe that was even an experiment, the video game generation, creating the speed of thought and reflexes, many a fast jet pilot would admire, and what about all those aviation based games, shooting and bombing things. And here is an even wierder thought, the instance of internet gaming, could it happen that a game player might unwittingly play a game that is in effect real life, the image that is seen on the tv screen, is a war device in reality, and his fast thumbs are guiding it to it's target. The computer game briefing, one has to attack and destroy a fictional enemy base, the gamer, into their game wants to progress further in the game, and so does as bid. Does anyone think weapons manufacturers have taken the video game culture to be a real possibility for the successful controlling of drone air machines. Wasn't that the plot of a recent movie or something?

tazzygirl -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:21:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterS quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it slightly unsettling that you would use a disparaging term to identify a branch of service that goes out of its way to assist every other branch when needed. I am sorry you are offended by the truth...but then I have sworn a sacred oath and all of that crap. H. Its far from the truth. But you know that already.

aphotic -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:22:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PolyVinyl quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Maybe that was even an experiment, the video game generation, creating the speed of thought and reflexes, many a fast jet pilot would admire, and what about all those aviation based games, shooting and bombing things. And here is an even wierder thought, the instance of internet gaming, could it happen that a game player might unwittingly play a game that is in effect real life, the image that is seen on the tv screen, is a war device in reality, and his fast thumbs are guiding it to it's target. The computer game briefing, one has to attack and destroy a fictional enemy base, the gamer, into their game wants to progress further in the game, and so does as bid. Does anyone think weapons manufacturers have taken the video game culture to be a real possibility for the successful controlling of drone air machines. Wasn't that the plot of a recent movie or something? 1992 Toys featuring Robin Williams

tazzygirl -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:22:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterS quote: Exactly. You were wrong. The House is only half of Congress. It requires ALL of Congress (gotta add that pesky Senate part) to declare war. You seem quite intent on picking flyshit out of pepper. Popeye stated "When the British forceably boarded American ships that in itself is an act of war. " I pointed out that ship captains may not declare war but that that was the responsibility of the House of Representatives...which is where the bill would originate before going to the Senate...would you also like to point out my typos? H. Gotta love it when you asked to be told if you were wrong, then get snarky when you are shown to be wrong. But... lol... i sorta figured that would happen.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PolyVinyl quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Maybe that was even an experiment, the video game generation, creating the speed of thought and reflexes, many a fast jet pilot would admire, and what about all those aviation based games, shooting and bombing things. And here is an even wierder thought, the instance of internet gaming, could it happen that a game player might unwittingly play a game that is in effect real life, the image that is seen on the tv screen, is a war device in reality, and his fast thumbs are guiding it to it's target. The computer game briefing, one has to attack and destroy a fictional enemy base, the gamer, into their game wants to progress further in the game, and so does as bid. Does anyone think weapons manufacturers have taken the video game culture to be a real possibility for the successful controlling of drone air machines. Wasn't that the plot of a recent movie or something? Maybe more rooted in reality than many people suspect - http://www.truthout.org/080609A

switch2please -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 8:53:06 PM)
these are the things that keep avid sci-fi readers up at night...the prospect that George Orwell, Issac Asimov or Phillip K. Dick may turn out to be right...

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/21/2009 9:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Thank you, Mike. I already knew the answers you gave me. I've heard them all before. I'm sorry, but I was expecting REAL answers: the ones you have given me may have made sense in the past, but they no longer do. How is a young man's death, getting killed in Iraq, "serving" anybody? OK. Just want to make clear that I'm only answering the question, not defending the answer... A young man (or woman) getting killed in Iraq is, indeed, serving his or her country by defending our economic and geopolitical interests. As Hunter would put it, every soldier who is killed in Iraq died to ensure relatively safe access to Mideastern oil for Exxon and your right to buy petrol at 80 cents a liter for that Hummer I know you secretly drive to the stock car races every Saturday night. Again, not defending the situation; just calling it for what it is.

Vendaval -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 2:05:55 AM)
Just what I was thinking here... quote: ORIGINAL: switch2please these are the things that keep avid sci-fi readers up at night...the prospect that George Orwell, Issac Asimov or Phillip K. Dick may turn out to be right...

HunterS -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 2:55:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: HunterS quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it slightly unsettling that you would use a disparaging term to identify a branch of service that goes out of its way to assist every other branch when needed. I am sorry you are offended by the truth...but then I have sworn a sacred oath and all of that crap. H. Its far from the truth. But you know that already. If you are unhappy with the mission statement of the Coast Guard then your bitch is with Alexander Hamilton the man who founded that service. H.

Moonhead -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 5:45:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: switch2please these are the things that keep avid sci-fi readers up at night...the prospect that George Orwell, Issac Asimov or Phillip K. Dick may turn out to be right... They might be yet, but it'll take a while before any of them turn out to be even half as right as Arthur C Clarke managed...

tazzygirl -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 6:00:18 AM)
The roots of the Coast Guard lie in the United States Revenue Cutter Service established by Alexander Hamilton under the Department of the Treasury on 4 August 1790. The first USCG station was in Newburyport, Massachusetts. Until the re-establishment of the United States Navy in 1798, the Revenue Cutter Service was the only naval force of the early U.S. It was established to collect taxes from a brand new nation of patriot smugglers. When the officers were out at sea, they were told to crack down on piracy; while they were at it, they might as well rescue anyone in distress.[11] The modern Coast Guard can be said to date to 1915, when the Revenue Cutter Service merged with the United States Life-Saving Service and Congress formalized the existence of the new organization. In 1939, the U.S. Lighthouse Service was brought under its purview. In 1942, the Bureau of Marine Inspection and Navigation was transferred to the Coast Guard. In 1967, the Coast Guard moved from the Department of the Treasury to the newly formed Department of Transportation, an arrangement that lasted until it was placed under the Department of Homeland Security in 2002 as part of legislation designed to more efficiently protect American interests following the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks. In times of war, the Coast Guard or individual components of it can operate as a service of the Department of the Navy. This arrangement has a broad historical basis, as the Guard has been involved in wars as diverse as the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, and the American Civil War, in which the cutter Harriet Lane fired the first naval shots attempting to relieve besieged Fort Sumter. The last time the Coast Guard operated as a whole under the Navy was in World War II. More often, military and combat units within the Coast Guard will operate under Navy operational control while other Coast Guard units will remain under the Department of Homeland Security. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard Older than the navy.... able to carry firearms and perform like the police (unlike any other service branch)... lol... your such a joke Hunter. The CG was under the Dept of Revenue because the Navy had not been formed yet.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 7:09:32 AM)
That is odd, a friend of mine served during that time so he could have something removed from his criminal record. The recruiter actually was in contact with his attorney about all of this. Then again my friend scored off the charts on the tests, and was going into a specialized technical job with the US Navy, so maybe that had something to do with it. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight When did they quit giving that option in court? I served with two people in the early '90s who had been given that choice. Both were basically good guys who screwed up and a judge gave them a chance to make something out of themselves. I had been told even that the courts no longer gave such options... then I met those two guys. The US Navy wasn't allowing it in the mid 80's when I enlisted. They specifically asked if you were trying to enlist as part of a court order.

MarsBonfire -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 6:26:28 PM)
Oh, if you're looking at Fox News, then Orwell is already proven right. They are the voice of the right wing, telling us all how "peace is war," "Lies equal truth," and "Torture equals security." Hell, they'll even re-edit reality, to show us all how conservative teabag events are attended by tens of thousands of people who weren't there... The Ministry of Propaganda has long been in operation.

kdsub -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/22/2009 7:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterS quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol How come people engaging in the military are seen as 'serving' anything? ' Because theie sacrifice,no matter what we think of it in hindsight,is made for the greater good of the nation state they serve....hence "serving"[quote/] They are not serving the greater national good they are serving the interests of a monied ologarchy. H. They are serving the government we elect...they reflect the feelings of the majority at the time of the election...there is no hidden government. There are only… us… the majority like it or not…right or wrong. We get what we vote for and what we allow. It is our fault when things go wrong… we are responsible…not some fantasy in your mind secret society pulling puppet strings. Butch

HunterS -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/23/2009 7:47:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: HunterS quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol How come people engaging in the military are seen as 'serving' anything? ' Because theie sacrifice,no matter what we think of it in hindsight,is made for the greater good of the nation state they serve....hence "serving"[quote/] They are not serving the greater national good they are serving the interests of a monied ologarchy. H. They are serving the government we elect...they reflect the feelings of the majority at the time of the election...there is no hidden government. There are only… us… the majority like it or not…right or wrong. We get what we vote for and what we allow. It is our fault when things go wrong… we are responsible…not some fantasy in your mind secret society pulling puppet strings. Butch Butch: The electoral college appoints the president. The legislatures appoint the electoral college. The legislatures are elected by the electorate from an "approved" list of candidates. H.

HunterS -> RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" (11/23/2009 7:55:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Older than the navy.... able to carry firearms and perform like the police (unlike any other service branch)... lol... your such a joke Hunter. The CG was under the Dept of Revenue because the Navy had not been formed yet. I am not sure I understand your reasoning. H.

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