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xBullx -> So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 12:57:12 PM)

Jesse Jackson: You Cant Vote Against Health Care and Call Yourself Black

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/19/jesse-jackson-reportedly-warns-black-lawmakers-opposing-health-care/

Ok, I'm white, I'm from middle America and don't have any African American neighbors and I know I don't understand all the black issues that exist, but how the hell can this health care bullshit be race determining? And if that's the case I have to appoligize to all the folks I thought I was being honest with saying I was not racist.

I was truly against the present health care concepts because I don't believe they solve anything that the average American needs solved with regards to this issue.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 12:57:56 PM)

just Jesse frothing at the mouth again.




xBullx -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 12:59:27 PM)

ok.... Why do we than title men like this as leaders of the black community?.... Or is that also incorrect? I'm actually hoping so.


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

just Jesse frothing at the mouth again.





Moonhead -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:00:11 PM)

Anything other than discussing the actual issues, eh? Race is the best issue to make sure of that by a mile.




xBullx -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:17:26 PM)

-fast reply-

Honest to God I really want this Health Care thing fixed. I hate the expense of health care and then when you use the shit it only covers this or that and you used the wrong Doctor or emergancy room. I'm damn sure afraid of what's going to happen to me or my wealth when I get older. The damn Insurance providers don't give a shit what color you are, they have to make a profit. Ok, I understand that. But I'm not sure that what Congress is presently doing solves a damn thing. Explain it, help me believe in it and I don't give a shit if a man with big ears or a long trunk conceived it. I also believe that if there is mandated health care..... The final product must be applicable to ALL of us. And I do mean ALL. And most definately those that constructed the plan.

Folks I would love to have perfect health care at the rate that flatters me, but frankly it would be wrong for me to want more for myself at the expense of another. Now there has to be ways to do this better, sadly I have to conceed at this juncture I am not smart enough and I also have too little time to study up on the entire subject in order to help make a solution that serves us all.

I honestly believe that if I have to take care of myself and those I am responsible for, I will. I also believe if we can construct a system that doesn't compromise one man or HIS acquired wealth for the benefit of another, I'm in favor of that.

There are ways to fix that which ails us, but if only one demographic is making the choices and decisions for us all, well, I doubt the problems will be solved, so all men, no matter the color of their flesh are still subject to a system that is no better then the one before and if "to big to fail" is where this is all headed, we're in "too big" trouble.




Moonhead -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:23:33 PM)

I hear you, mate. My own feeling would be that if they stuck the funding into the taxes rather than letting insurers charge an arm and a leg for stuff that they know they can weasel out of paying for, that would be a start, but then I'm a euroweenie and probably a marxist by extension.




rulemylife -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:28:34 PM)

The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Wednesday night injected race into the national debate on health care, saying any black lawmaker who votes against President Obama's sweeping overhaul isn't really black, the Hill newspaper reported.

Does this mean a black lawmaker who votes against it is a BINO?




Moonhead -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:34:56 PM)

Albert Bino?




rulemylife -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:46:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

I honestly believe that if I have to take care of myself and those I am responsible for, I will.
I also believe if we can construct a system that doesn't compromise one man or HIS acquired wealth for the benefit of another, I'm in favor of that.



You may believe that now, until something happens and you get a rude awakening. Even in your post you complained of things your insurance will not cover.



Insurance Runs Out For 12-Year-Old Boy Without Arm

Benjamin French was born with his right arm missing below the elbow.

In his 12 years, he has been fitted with seven prostheses. His most recent replacement will cost nearly $30,000 and his doctor says he will soon grow out of it.

But, according to his insurance company, the boy is ineligible for further coverage of prosthetic devices because he has already spent his lifetime maximum benefit.

Benjamin's family happens to live in Michigan, one of 33 states where insurance companies are allowed to set annual and lifetime caps on prosthetic coverage. The family's policy with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan covers a maximum of $30,000 per lifetime for prosthetics, plus $1,000 per year for repairs.

In states such as Colorado and Maryland, the law says there can be no such cap on prosthetics.

"It seems really unfair," said Benjamin's mother, Kristen French. "The insurance company can do this in one state, but not in another? It's ridiculous."





mnottertail -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 1:50:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Albert Bino?



Janet Rino?




xBullx -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 3:58:13 PM)

You see Rule that is an issue that needs corrected and I damn sure agree, which was my point exactly, but I rather doubt the current bills or suggested bills offered will fix this, if I'm wrong please show me where.

I want to fix this, I just don't want either party throwing darts at a board in an attempt to fix something and all it does is look after their favorite lobby.

My point is the same, where can we find the answers to what ails us?


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

I honestly believe that if I have to take care of myself and those I am responsible for, I will.
I also believe if we can construct a system that doesn't compromise one man or HIS acquired wealth for the benefit of another, I'm in favor of that.



You may believe that now, until something happens and you get a rude awakening. Even in your post you complained of things your insurance will not cover.



Insurance Runs Out For 12-Year-Old Boy Without Arm

Benjamin French was born with his right arm missing below the elbow.

In his 12 years, he has been fitted with seven prostheses. His most recent replacement will cost nearly $30,000 and his doctor says he will soon grow out of it.

But, according to his insurance company, the boy is ineligible for further coverage of prosthetic devices because he has already spent his lifetime maximum benefit.

Benjamin's family happens to live in Michigan, one of 33 states where insurance companies are allowed to set annual and lifetime caps on prosthetic coverage. The family's policy with Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan covers a maximum of $30,000 per lifetime for prosthetics, plus $1,000 per year for repairs.

In states such as Colorado and Maryland, the law says there can be no such cap on prosthetics.

"It seems really unfair," said Benjamin's mother, Kristen French. "The insurance company can do this in one state, but not in another? It's ridiculous."







popeye1250 -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 4:04:02 PM)

Bull, consider the source; "The Reverand" Jesse Jackson. Nobody listens to him anymore.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 4:21:32 PM)

All the more reason to allow policies to be sold across state lines. Supported by the GOP, not by the Dems.




tazzygirl -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 6:02:04 PM)

"We even have blacks voting against the health care bill," Jackson reportedly said at a Congressional Black Caucus reception Wednesday night honoring the 25th anniversary of the civil rights leader's run for president.

"You can't vote against health care and call yourself a black man," the Hill reported him saying.




Perhaps that is why he felt he could say that, Master Bull. Just a guess.




xBullx -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 6:13:23 PM)

Well, I'm gonna have to reply with a single word to that...

What?




servantforuse -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 6:45:03 PM)

Jessi Jackson is a con artist. His specialty is shaking down large corporations for donations to halt demonstrations in front of their companies. He should be ignored by all.




tazzygirl -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 7:39:00 PM)

Jackson is passionate, sometimes too passionate. But he was giving a speach to the Black Caucus. I dont see it as a racial issue.




Hierodule -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 8:06:32 PM)

Its not a race issue its a class issue. He should have went the route that MLK went with the poor people's campain. Sure he was speaking to a black audience but he had to know his remarks would get national attention. Making it about race isn't smart politically. It just divides people instead of uniting them under a common cause.

"King labeled the Poor People’s Campaign the “second phase,” of the civil rights struggle. The “first phase” focused on the segregation problems. Both phases were addressed in a non-violent manner. The SCLC and Dr. King (before his assassination) planned for the Poor People’s Campaign to be the largest, most widespread civil-rights movement. They set goals high, such as aiming for 1500 protesters to lobby in Washington D.C. to Congress for an “economic bill of rights” (EBoR)." from wiki

"It is no longer publicly acceptable to be racist. Just ask Senator Allen who lost his election bid for a racist remark. As racism recedes from public acts, another deeply entrenched discrimination of very long standing is rising to the fore for attack, belittlement, and reform. Classism, or discrimination based on economic class, is becoming the new politically incorrect behavior to overcome. From medical care, to education, to housing, to job opportunities, those of the wealthy class get better treatment and favor than others of less affluence. Harvard, one of the costliest universities, has tuition assistance for the non-wealthy. But, the average income of families receiving tuition assistance for Harvard is over $100,000 per year...

As many as 96,000 people die in American hospitals each year as a direct result of medical malpractice. Many times that number receive the wrong procedure, medication, or diagnosis resulting in a worsening of their malady or, the creation of a new one they didn't walk in with. There are many factors involved in why this occurs. But, chief among them is the hours medical practitioners put in. Some residents routinely put in 36 hours at a time. That last 12 hours results in their working on patients with the same attention and judgment skills as a .10 % blood alcohol content. They aren't permitted to operate a vehicle in that state, but, they are permitted to operate on a patient in that state. Wealthy clients go to wealthy practitioners who don't need to work 24 or 36 hour shifts. Wealthy clients also have the resources to sue for malpractice and so, are treated with greater care and concern on average. Public Citizen has a lot of information on this health care class issue, just type health care in their search box.)" from Third Party & Independents Archives
probably not a good idea to bring up class-ism in a thread started by a Gorean. [:D] prepare to get ripped a new one.




tazzygirl -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 8:09:24 PM)

Oh im not making excuses for him. Just pointing out who his target audience was since no one else seems to have noted it.




Hierodule -> RE: So now the Health Care debate is a color issue? (11/19/2009 8:11:41 PM)

Oh that wasn't in direct response to you. Sorry if it seemed like it. I just hit respond to the last post in the tread. It was more a comment on the general topic. 




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