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ORIGINAL: Brain


For you to start a thread like this your bread must be buttered by an oil company in some way. I don't know if you own a gas station or if you have shares in Exxon, or something else, but you're not looking at this issue objectively.

The evidence for global warming is overwhelming. Those scientists were responding appropriately to misrepresentations and distortions of the truth. Global warming is a dangerous phenomena that wil lead to the destruction of the planet. I'm not interested in that happening because some selfish people are too lazy to find/do other work in developing new energy use, whether it's electric cars or solar or wind or something else.

You need to read Tom Friedman's new book Hot Flat and Crowded. You'd like to privatize gains and socialize losses. It applies just as much to global warming as it does to Wall Street. Read the book.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

No, what is the gap in logic?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Rml, so you dont think a private jet burns significantly more fuel per passenger than a commercial flight?



Are you actually serious? That is so stupid it is not worth debating...


BTW there is absolutly no gap in logic. Perhaps you could argue that the data is incorrect, but from the nuimbers given he is absolutly logical.


Put up solid numbers to show he is wrong, if you can.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
This is the problem with citing bloggers, they have no responsibility to be accurate.

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you are doing a head-to-head comparison of the same aircraft using the same engines.

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Besides, I thought you never listened to Hannity and barely knew who he was

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

No, what is the gap in logic?

This statement right here:

That means per passenger a Boeing 737 emits 89 pounds of carbon dioxide an hour while Gulfstream and similar private jets emit 462 pounds of carbon dioxide per passenger per hour.

You have a large variety of corporate aircraft and airliners.

Hannity is using only two to try to say that corporate aircraft have a 4 to 1 carbon footprint ratio compared to the airlines.

Even within his own examples he is not accurate, there are a number of different models of the 737.  An older
200 series burns far more fuel and consequently more emissions than a 900 series.

Actually, this would be a great example for the news bias thread, because he is being completely misleading. 

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
This is the problem with citing bloggers, they have no responsibility to be accurate.

That also seems to be the problem with citing the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This lie again?

Really how many times does this have to be explained?

Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service. Secret Service protectees do not fly commercial. Gore doesn't have a lot to say on the matter.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg
Willbeur, will you stop with the facts...This subject is far too important to let reality interfere.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

For those liberals and others out there who might have bought stock in alternative energy companies, it might be wise to sell, like right now. The scam has been exposed.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
For those liberals and others out there who might have bought stock in alternative energy companies, it might be wise to sell, like right now. The scam has been exposed.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
For those liberals and others out there who might have bought stock in alternative energy companies, it might be wise to sell, like right now. The scam has been exposed.

You too read that 'righ wing', unverified 'blog-type' non-news published in the 'Telegraph'?

If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia�s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That) When you read some of those files - including 1079 emails and 72 documents - you realize just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential.

As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be "the greatest in modern science". These alleged emails supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory suggest: Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.

One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change skeptics, founder of the Still Waiting For Greenhouse site), commenting:"In an odd way this is cheering news."

Personally, I found this 'smoking gun' memo from the same source the most gratifying since it addresses the cornerstone of my position since the GW religion was founded:

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….

Basically is says, if observable history doesn't correlate to the dogma - change the time observed. Yeah - that's "science".

Apparently though there is still some special interest money to be paid out: "US President Barack Obama said Tuesday the world has moved "one step closer" to a "strong operational agreement" on climate change at next month's Copenhagen summit after his talks with Indian and Chinese leaders. "