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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 6:49:37 PM   
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The law you're shouting about... wasn't creating something that didn't exist but limiting it.

So in other words, you were wrong?

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Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 7:35:47 PM   
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This lie again?

Really how many times does this have to be explained?

Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service. Secret Service protectees do not fly commercial. Gore doesn't have a lot to say on the matter.






ORLY. And who is the liar? Or does Gore have special protection that other VPOTUS' dont have?

"Title I - Former Vice President Protection Act
Former Vice President Protection Act of 2008 - Amends the federal criminal code to provide secret service protection to former Vice Presidents, their spouses, and their children under 16 years of age for up to six months after a former Vice President leaves office. Authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to direct the Secret Service to provide temporary protection to former Vice Presidents and their family members at any time thereafter if warranted. Extends such protection to any Vice President holding office on or after the enactment of this Act. "



It seems you are.

The law you are refering to:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5938&tab=summary
Only applies to VPOTUS in office after the law was passed. Previous VPOTUS continue receiving protection under the previous law. Which pretty clearly is protection for 10 years after leaving office.




Its so much fun watching you try and cover your lies with other lies once again. There was no protection after leaving office for VPs..

You're boring.

The fact is previously former VPOTUS protection was authorized by executive order.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/07/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4161731.shtml

The law you're shouting about was to make sure we wouldn't be paying the bill fo rcheney for life. It wasn't creating something that didn't exist but limiting it.


I was so hoping you would dig yourself an even deeper hole, thank you.

Try telling the secret service they have been protecting Gore:

"Over the last 40 years, the departing vice president has been afforded protection by our agency," Sullivan told lawmakers. "Going back, the last two vice presidents," -- Al Gore and Dan Quayle -- "we have provided protection going into July of that year that they have departed, for 180 days."

And when youre done with them, try telling Gore:

"Former Vice President Al Gore was involved in a security controversy at Nashville Airport Thursday. An American Airlines employee violated airport security rules by leading Gore and his entourage around an airport security checkpoint where they normally would have had to pass through metal detectors. "Everyone who comes through this public airport terminal must be screened, so it's a breach of rules, said airport representative Lynn Lowrance. "It's serious." The airline employee ran her security card through an electronic lock to allow Gore and his two companions to pass through a turnstile. Airport police who noticed the breach tracked down Gore, and he willingly went back through the security checkpoint."

Sorry I bore you. Try getting something right for once.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 7:37:53 PM   
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But but but, Domken says otherwise, and you are a neo con poophead. So he is right.....

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 7:39:10 PM   
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But but but, Domken says otherwise, and you are a neo con poophead. So he is right.....


Awww, you spoiled his fun of saying it first.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 7:59:44 PM   
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How about a different way of looking at things.

Just say man is not the biggest contributor to global warming but the change or shift in temperatures may displace millions perhaps billions of people over the next century. This would cause war and death fighting over dwindling resources.

What damn difference does it make if man did or did not start the warming

Now we will be dead in a hundred years but our children’s children may not be. What if mans actions today slow or stop this change...or at least give more time to future generations to come up with a solution or to accommodate the changes in an orderly manner that saves lives.

If we start now and it works good for us…if it doesn’t at least our grandsons and daughters will know we did or best.

If it turns out the world is not warming then we will have just cleaned the air, water, and earth...it needs it anyway.

If we do nothing we may be condemning them to a horrible life in the future.

Butch


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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 8:03:25 PM   
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But. . .but. . . but. . . what if we are in a period of global cooling?  Maybe we should be throwing another log on the fire!

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 8:05:12 PM   
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cozy that way...lol

And if we see it happening then we can stoke up a few coal generators.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 9:43:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I was so hoping you would dig yourself an even deeper hole, thank you.

Try telling the secret service they have been protecting Gore:

"Over the last 40 years, the departing vice president has been afforded protection by our agency," Sullivan told lawmakers. "Going back, the last two vice presidents," -- Al Gore and Dan Quayle -- "we have provided protection going into July of that year that they have departed, for 180 days."

And when youre done with them, try telling Gore:

"Former Vice President Al Gore was involved in a security controversy at Nashville Airport Thursday. An American Airlines employee violated airport security rules by leading Gore and his entourage around an airport security checkpoint where they normally would have had to pass through metal detectors. "Everyone who comes through this public airport terminal must be screened, so it's a breach of rules, said airport representative Lynn Lowrance. "It's serious." The airline employee ran her security card through an electronic lock to allow Gore and his two companions to pass through a turnstile. Airport police who noticed the breach tracked down Gore, and he willingly went back through the security checkpoint."

Sorry I bore you. Try getting something right for once.



So you admit your claim about former VPOTUS not getting Secret Servic eprotection was a lie. Progress.

The question now becomes when was he flying on a private jet? Because that part about an AA employee getting him around a security checkpoint means he was flying commercial in that instance.

Which was the exactly where I was leading you. Thanks for saving me from quoting an article on that event.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 9:59:34 PM   
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quote:

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This lie again?

Really how many times does this have to be explained?

Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service. Secret Service protectees do not fly commercial. Gore doesn't have a lot to say on the matter.



notice you are using the present tense of "is protected" So your statement was clearly wrong. But it is the only sort of defense that your side can offer for Gore. The slower minded leftist will eat it up yum!!

And it is becoming more and more clear that leftists (well many, there are a few who do, but they don't post much) simply do not have the intellectuall honesty to stand by thier words.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 10:04:40 PM   
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quote:

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Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service. Secret Service protectees do not fly commercial.


quote:

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that part about an AA employee getting him around a security checkpoint means he was flying commercial

The word "petard" comes to mind.

K.

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 10:05:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

This lie again?

Really how many times does this have to be explained?

Al Gore is a former VPOTUS and is protected by the US Secret Service. Secret Service protectees do not fly commercial. Gore doesn't have a lot to say on the matter.



notice you are using the present tense of "is protected" So your statement was clearly wrong. But it is the only sort of defense that your side can offer for Gore. The slower minded leftist will eat it up yum!!

And it is becoming more and more clear that leftists (well many, there are a few who do, but they don't post much) simply do not have the intellectuall honesty to stand by thier words.

You aren't really impugning someone else's honesty are you?

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 10:10:09 PM   
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As you (and most leftists here) usually do, you try to change what I said to make your point. I used the qualifier for a reason, and it is really a lame game for you to try to remove it.

I have o idea how honest you are in your general life. I called you on your intellectuall dishonesty. And used a quote from you in this thread to demonstrate it.

Balls in your court...do you attempt to reconcile your statements (be intellectually honest) or do you start with the troll stuff?

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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 11:08:38 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I was so hoping you would dig yourself an even deeper hole, thank you.

Try telling the secret service they have been protecting Gore:

"Over the last 40 years, the departing vice president has been afforded protection by our agency," Sullivan told lawmakers. "Going back, the last two vice presidents," -- Al Gore and Dan Quayle -- "we have provided protection going into July of that year that they have departed, for 180 days."

And when youre done with them, try telling Gore:

"Former Vice President Al Gore was involved in a security controversy at Nashville Airport Thursday. An American Airlines employee violated airport security rules by leading Gore and his entourage around an airport security checkpoint where they normally would have had to pass through metal detectors. "Everyone who comes through this public airport terminal must be screened, so it's a breach of rules, said airport representative Lynn Lowrance. "It's serious." The airline employee ran her security card through an electronic lock to allow Gore and his two companions to pass through a turnstile. Airport police who noticed the breach tracked down Gore, and he willingly went back through the security checkpoint."

Sorry I bore you. Try getting something right for once.



So you admit your claim about former VPOTUS not getting Secret Servic eprotection was a lie. Progress.except I never said that. I said Gore didnt after 6 months, and I posted the law. Never a comment about who was or wasnt covered by executive orders. And btw lets not forget your bullshit claim that prior to the law change they had 10 years of protection, and the 6 months didnt affect Gore.

The question now becomes when was he flying on a private jet? Because that part about an AA employee getting him around a security checkpoint means he was flying commercial in that instance. Exactly, which in post 88 you said was not an option.

Which was the exactly where I was leading you. Thanks for saving me from quoting an article on that event. sure you were. since it directly contradicts your prior post. First you were bitch slapped, and now you are totally embarassing yourself by trying to cover it up. give it up. That sound you hear is the wind rushing in to fill the vacuum left by your last shred of credibility disappearing. What a great Thanksgiving!


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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 11:41:20 PM   
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That isnt close to a gap in logic. Whoever wrote it clearly stated the assumptions, and whether the number is 3:1 or 5:1 doesnt really matter, Gores hypocrisy is the point, and that is clearly shown.

The only "gap" is the assumption that both are flown at full capacity, which is implied but not stated. Knowing Gore he sure as hell filled the 19 (or however many seats the actual jets had) seats.


No, the hypocrisy is not clearly stated because the assumptions are completely inaccurate.

The first one being we do not know what types of aircraft he flew on.  The others being what I already stated.

But I can very easily give you examples where the ratio was the complete opposite, the easiest one to point out would be if the number of passengers were the same on both aircraft.

And I have had flights where the crew outnumbered the passengers.

In other words, just more Hannity bullshit. 

So, anyway, when is the waterboarding show?



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RE: Climategate - 11/24/2009 11:49:40 PM   
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naw it sounds more like RML bullshit.

Yet the logic in the statement is correct. Put up some real numbers and show us that Public Transportation doesn't save fuel or reduce Carbon emmissions. Because that is exactly what is on the table. Sure sometimes busses are almost empty, and cars get tailwinds going down hill.

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RE: Climategate - 11/25/2009 12:15:00 AM   
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naw it sounds more like RML bullshit.

Yet the logic in the statement is correct. Put up some real numbers and show us that Public Transportation doesn't save fuel or reduce Carbon emmissions. Because that is exactly what is on the table. Sure sometimes busses are almost empty, and cars get tailwinds going down hill.


I would love to, but I can't dispute what was never defined in the first place, which is my whole point.

What model 737 was Hannity talking about?  What was the length of the flight and the fuel load?  What was their takeoff weight?  What altitude were they flying at?  What were the winds aloft?  What cruise power settings were they using?  The same questions for the Gulfstream he was using in comparison.

All of these, and more I could name, make a significant impact on fuel burn.  Fuel makes up the largest portion of weight on an airplane, aside from the weight of the airplane itself.

The longer the trip, the more fuel required, and consequently a higher fuel burn due to the added weight.  A shorter trip burns less fuel because you are carrying less fuel weight.

He's making a bullshit argument about something he knows nothing about because he knows he can con 90% of people who don't know enough about it to recognize it is bullshit.

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RE: Climategate - 11/25/2009 12:18:16 AM   
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Ok your right, Public transportation does not save fuel or reduce carbon, and only an idiot would think it did.


You might mention that to Al....

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RE: Climategate - 11/25/2009 12:25:38 AM   
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Ok your right, Public transportation does not save fuel or reduce carbon, and only an idiot would think it did.


You might mention that to Al....


It's not the same issue.

Depending on trip length and passengers you can easily have a smaller aircraft making a more fuel-efficient trip with a smaller carbon footprint than a larger one.

Why do you think so many airlines use smaller regional jets on so many of their routes?

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RE: Climategate - 11/25/2009 12:32:56 AM   
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Ok your right, Public transportation does not save fuel or reduce carbon, and only an idiot would think it did.


You might mention that to Al....


It's not the same issue.

Depending on trip length and passengers you can easily have a smaller aircraft making a more fuel-efficient trip with a smaller carbon footprint than a larger one.

Why do you think so many airlines use smaller regional jets on so many of their routes?


lmao. exactly the same logic as what youre claiming is illogical. depending on the .....passengers.

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RE: Climategate - 11/25/2009 12:34:13 AM   
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Its the exact same issue RML.

A commercial flight is Public transportation vs a private plane which is a private vehicle.


You can have a small car with a tailwind going down hill vs a buss with one passenger. And the bus pollutes far more, in that unusuall comparison. However on average...This is just dumb....



to answer your question, Because they don't have a lot of people wanting to fly that route at that time, and larger planes burn way more fuel.

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