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RCdc -> Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 12:42:28 PM)

With an idea placed in my head from the post 'Why the bible' I am going to put out a question.
Why the *inserthere*
And no, ya pervs, not that kind of insert.[;)]

I enjoyed Ravis commentry on the link, but I find the whole idea kind of 'narrow' because the bible isn't just one religion or one single 'faith' as such.
So the insert is meant to be filled by you.  So whether thats 'catholic' or 'agnostic' or 'darwinist' or 'atheist'.  I am more interested on why you chose that direction and who/what are the books, writers, prophets, philosophers, scientists etc that inspire you and why.  Just so I can gain a bigger library too of course.[;)]

the.dark.



Aneirin -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 6:48:40 PM)

If I understand your question, and you know me hovering between no faith, buddhist, Earth centred and whatever, but usually somewhere around the former three which always comes back to Earth centred as the most felt. I have and do sometimes refer to my belief as pagan, but feel pagan does not describe the belief I feel, for the simple reasons all those I have come across who brandish the title as if it were a banner, tend to be full of shit, charlatans and ego trippers
mostly.

Where does my belief come from, well, it's not books that is for sure, I have read a few, but what they spout I do not wholeley agree with, so books written by others I do not follow, and my collection of such books have now found homes with other seekers.Where my belief comes from, I think is the heart, the feeling I get when I am in certain places, the countryside, be it wood, moor or sea, I feel a something there that has meaning for me, but never in cities or other built up areas, what is there, is squashed thin, or  I am not sensitive enough to see it as by that, it is not for me.

My belief comes and goes, it is not plain to see all the time, but it comes with a tempest force when I become exposed to what perhaps my soul seeks in my life, the latest instance, was my last evening visit to an agricultural commune in Cornwall, only fifteen miles from where I live. It is always the same, today I feel the energy still, I without thought gravitate towards thoughts of my faith, the further in weeks I am away, the less it gets, but each time there is a modification in thought. Perhaps I am getting closer to what I seek, or at least learning enough to scythe through the layers of bullshit attached to the broad term pagan and there seek my source.

I know at least what I believe is now down to earth, the belief that this planet at least is my belief, it is part of me as I am of it, we are made of the same, and what it is besides somewhere to live, is my source and by that I am happiest the closer I am to it. What comes after, I have yet to speculate, but the writings of others, though sometimes they may inspire, are writings about their way, not mine, I will find my own way, my way.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 6:54:49 PM)

To take a stab at answering that question, I have to plug in that I am an athiest. The book that most pushed me in that direction was the bible.

When I was a youg kid, up until thirteen or so, I was a believer of sorts. I never was the sort who was overly observant, but I believed there was a god and that he was just, and kind and worth respecting. Then I read the bible. I read (and this may be my interpretation of what I read but it is what I saw) of a cruel, petty, downright evil deity that I wanted nothing to do with. I suppose I didn't want to believe in a god that would do the things he did and I certainly didn't want to worship him.

So that's my why, for what it's worth.




Kirata -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 7:05:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I never was the sort who was overly observant, but I believed there was a god and that he was just, and kind and worth respecting. Then I read the bible. I read (and this may be my interpretation of what I read but it is what I saw) of a cruel, petty, downright evil deity that I wanted nothing to do with. I suppose I didn't want to believe in a god that would do the things he did and I certainly didn't want to worship him.

That assumes that the Bible must be right about God. In other words, that if there is something greater, the Bible has it nailed and it ain't pretty. On that basis, I would make the same decision. But I don't buy the assumption.

K.





Aneirin -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 7:18:23 PM)

The bible, I have read, both on my own, and under instruction, via school relgious education, a subject I did like and was good at, the theory of religion. My other instruction was catholicism, the family being of that leaning. With an early interest in history, I read about the catholic church and decided I wanted nothing to do with it, besides being called a heretic somewhere near age ten by the local Irish catholic priest for my views on God. The bastard was all too keen to tell me what in the past happened to people who did not tow the church line, I had nightmares for weeks, fucking cunt. My views on God, even then were dragging along the lines of earth centred, priesty didn't like that.

Christianity, my feelings were, perhaps are, that what it was originally, has now been lost, covered over by who knows what words of truth and lie, priests, I learned to treat with distaste, especially catholic priests.



SpinnerofTales -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 10:00:59 PM)

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That assumes that the Bible must be right about God. In other words, that if there is something greater, the Bible has it nailed and it ain't pretty. On that basis, I would make the same decision. But I don't buy the assumption.

K.
ORIGINAL: Kirata




I'm not asking you to. I have no interest in destroying anyone's faith. As long as someone is content not to have their faith be my legislated reality, I'm just fine with any belief that anyone has in their lives. I was just speaking of where my atheistic roots began. And, like faith, that is a personal journey.




Kirata -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/21/2009 10:10:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I'm not asking you to. I have no interest in destroying anyone's faith. As long as someone is content not to have their faith be my legislated reality, I'm just fine with any belief that anyone has in their lives. I was just speaking of where my atheistic roots began. And, like faith, that is a personal journey.

I don't care that you're an atheist. I just saw a flawed assumption in your description of how you got there. But as you say, it's a personal journey. You are just as entitled to have faith in your assumptions as anyone else. Sorry to have mentioned it.

K.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Why the 'inserthere'. (11/22/2009 9:06:08 AM)

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I don't care that you're an atheist. I just saw a flawed assumption in your description of how you got there. But as you say, it's a personal journey. You are just as entitled to have faith in your assumptions as anyone else. Sorry to have mentioned it.
ORIGINAL: Kirata




No need to apologize for bringing up a point. That's what we are on this board for. However, what I was speaking of is the beginning of my road to atheism. My feeling was not that the bible got it right. After deciding the bible didn't have it right, I expored the New Testament, the Koran and several of the pagan religions. What I came to realize was that, in my belief, if there was a prime cause, it had nothing to do with human beings. I have a number of reasons for believing this, but that's a longer conversation. My realization that I found the theology of the bible valueless was a big step. It was, however, just a step.




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