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SpinnerofTales -> A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 1:39:59 PM)
"Michael Moor announced today that he will be holding a screening of his films Bowling for Comumbine and Fahrenheit 911 in the town of Fort Hood, Texas. "It is only when the truth behind the tragedy is brought out that the families of those killed can begin to heal." Moore told reporters. Moore also pledged to donate all proceeds from the screening to a charity benefiting the families of those slain in the recent attack." I have just written an utter falsehood. Michael Moore has no plans to do any screenings anywhere near Fort Hood. Sarah Palin, however, has announced plans to add Fort Hood to her current promotional tour for her new book. She has also announced that all proceeds from the book sales at that spot will be given to a charity benefiting the families of those killed in the recent attack. So why did I start with the above story? I tell you with all sincerity I didn't do it to stir the pot or troll. I did it to ask a question not only about the actions of Ms. Palin, but about us. How many progressives read the story above and thought it a good idea, only to think that Ms. Palin's appearance at Fort Hood on a promotional tour completely inappropriate? How many conservatives felt their blood boiling at the idea that Michael Moore might use this tragedy as a platform for his own agenda but believe that Ms. Palin's addition of this venue to her tour is a show of care and patriotism. In short, faced with an action, how much of our approval is based upon our agreement with the person delivering the message? I myself would like to think I would oppose either scenario. I do not like seeing a tragedy turned into an "opportunity" for personal aggrandizement. I would very much like to hear other opinions on this matter, from both left and right.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:22:48 PM)
Unh, for some silly reason I think it likely that the soldiers and their families at Foot Hood would view Michael Moore jumping on this tragedy as an opportunity to rescreen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 911" as slightly more offensive than Sarah Palin adding a stop to her book signing tour to benefit the families of the victims. Call me crazy. [:D] K.

rulemylife -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:34:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Unh, for some silly reason I think it likely that the soldiers and their families at Foot Hood would view Michael Moore jumping on this tragedy as an opportunity to rescreen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 911" as slightly more offensive than Sarah Palin adding a stop to her book signing tour to benefit the families of the victims. Call me crazy. [:D] Ok, you're crazy. Happy? So, tell us about that silly reason. Is it because you somehow believe that those in the military are more likely to agree with your conservative views? And Palin's?

Musicmystery -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:36:08 PM)
I'm no conservative, and I think Kirata's right on the mark.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:45:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Apparently you don't understand the nature of a substantial, well thought-out rebuttal. [sm=brush.gif]

rulemylife -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I'm no conservative, and I think Kirata's right on the mark. Then can someone elaborate, because I'm not seeing it.

rulemylife -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 2:48:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Apparently you don't understand the nature of a substantial, well thought-out rebuttal. [sm=brush.gif] Does that mean you and Willbeur are one and the same? That would explain a lot.

DomKen -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:12:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Unh, for some silly reason I think it likely that the soldiers and their families at Foot Hood would view Michael Moore jumping on this tragedy as an opportunity to rescreen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 911" as slightly more offensive than Sarah Palin adding a stop to her book signing tour to benefit the families of the victims. Call me crazy. [:D] K. If she want to sign books in town I'm fine with it but she shouldn't be holding her signings on any base. Military bases should be as apolitical as it is possible to make them and certainly shouldn't be venues for politicians to make money.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:23:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If she want to sign books in town I'm fine with it but she shouldn't be holding her signings on any base. Military bases should be as apolitical as it is possible to make them and certainly shouldn't be venues for politicians to make money. I won't argue your view in that respect. But the whole premise that she "added" the tour stop to take advantage of "an opportunity for personal aggrandizement" appears to be just spin from Le Spinner. The former vice presidential candidate, whose book “Going Rogue,” will be released on Tuesday, had already agreed to visit the Army base, according to her publicist. She said that after last week’s shooting that left 13 people dead and 30 wounded, an official on the base contacted HarperCollins to say that Palin should stick with the planned appearance. K.

kittinSol -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:26:54 PM)
I wish Sarah fucking Palin would just sell her books and go [sm=Groaner.gif] . I already have serious indigestion from overexposure to her, and it's only been a week - AND I've deliberately avoided the box, for fear of getting gastropalinitis! Fuck off with your millions, Sarah, will you? pretty please?

kdsub -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:28:43 PM)
I think any problems from either scenario would come from outside the military … too much discipline. I think we would be mistaken to believe that all soldiers were Republicans and therefore would be more accepting to one political view over another. A smart politician would make a secret trip to Fort Hood to console the troops. Knowing that there is no such thing as “secret” in American politics. Remember Obama’s trip to the hospital in Germany…yea secret. I wonder if she will sell books and promise to sign… not do it… then leave town counting her campaign money? Butch

SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:28:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Unh, for some silly reason I think it likely that the soldiers and their families at Foot Hood would view Michael Moore jumping on this tragedy as an opportunity to rescreen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 911" as slightly more offensive than Sarah Palin adding a stop to her book signing tour to benefit the families of the victims. Call me crazy. [:D] K. I won't call you crazy, but I will ask you directly: Do you think that Sarah Palin is making this stop because she recognizes the tragedy and thinks she can do something for the wounded and the families of the dead? Or do you think she's taken this on because it makes political hay for her?

Musicmystery -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:33:34 PM)
Yeah, I don't find it much better than the Moore ploy. What people--on all sides--won't do. Decency is dead.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:37:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Do you think that Sarah Palin is making this stop because she recognizes the strategy and thinks she can do something for the wounded and the families of the dead? Or do you think she's taken this on because it makes political hay for her? Well I think it would be fair to say that historically she has not been the sharpest tack on the block when it comes to making positive "political hay" for herself. K. > edited to acknowledge your change of "strategy" to "tragedy"

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:39:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Yeah, I don't find it much better than the Moore ploy. Well, going there as a "ploy" is an unsupported characterization introduced by the OP. It is not, however, consonant with the information available that the stop was already planned. K.

Musicmystery -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 3:40:42 PM)
You know what I mean. At the very least, it's poor judgment. And yes, it makes a big difference that Palin's stop was already scheduled.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 4:39:34 PM)
quote: Well, going there as a "ploy" is an unsupported characterization introduced by the OP. It is not, however, consonant with the information available that the stop was already planned. ORIGINAL: Kirata To quote the article you linked to: The Dec. 4 event had not been announced publicly or included in a preliminary list of tour stops published on Palin’s Facebook page. Of course, that it was planned in the first place and that the officials at Fort Hood army base asked that the event continue was confirmed....by Ms. Palin's publicist. Interesting that it was "planned but not announced". Perhaps you're more trusting than I, but if anyone suddenly had a "pre-planned" appearance that was not announced on a publicity tour prior to that appearance becoming a platform for an amazing amount of personal publicity because of a national tragedy, I might have just a few questions I want to have answered. I personally will be watching what Ms. Palin says at that appearance very, very closely.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 5:17:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Interesting that it was "planned but not announced". Perhaps you're more trusting than I, but if anyone suddenly had a "pre-planned" appearance that was not announced on a publicity tour prior to that appearance becoming a platform for an amazing amount of personal publicity because of a national tragedy, I might have just a few questions I want to have answered. It was never intended as a publicity stop. A Fort Bragg spokesman initially said the Army would ban the media from Palin’s book signing.... After the Associated Press and The Fayetteville (N.C.) Observer protested, Col. Billy Buckner said the post would permit restricted access. A small pool of reporters will be allowed to view and document the event but will be barred from interviews.... “The main reason is to stop this from turning into a political platform,” Fort Bragg spokesman Tom McCollum said. K.

MarsBonfire -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 5:46:50 PM)
Maybe not... but it sure turned into that, didn't it? I wonder how difficult it would have been to say, "Out of respect to the families of those who were lost in the Ft. Hood tradgedy, we're going to postpone our publicity tour to the area for a couple weeks, until they've had the opportunity to bury the dead with dignity." Nah... what am I thinkin'? She's a teabagger nutball. She'll be out there, draping herself in the flag like "Bush 1" did, telling everyone there, especially the media, that this tradgedy was all the Obama administrations fault.

Kirata -> RE: A Lie to Pose an Interesting Question (11/21/2009 6:34:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire Maybe not... but it sure turned into that, didn't it? I wonder how difficult it would have been to say, "Out of respect to the families of those who were lost in the Ft. Hood tradgedy, we're going to postpone our publicity tour to the area for a couple weeks, until they've had the opportunity to bury the dead with dignity." Yeah really. Incidentally, I just noticed that the story shifted to Fort Bragg in the link I posted. Duh. The book signing at Fort Hood is only open to the military and members of their families, by current reports, which also state that the Army felt her visit would boost morale and wanted her to keep the scheduled visit. In any case, it's not until December 4th anyway, so I think that the burials should be over by then. K.

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