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LadyEllen -> "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:03:47 PM)

Amazing report on tonight's BBC Newsnight, alleging that the police are out busily arresting young black men on the most spurious grounds in order to collect their DNA for the database, where it will be kept for six years, just in case it comes in handy in future.

The police reject such allegations. They point out that the reason so many young black men are on the database is because of "disproportionate representation in the justice system" - in other words, they commit more crimes than anyone else. A most satisfactory response I'm sure.

It kinda reminded me of the "Not The Nine O'Clock News" sketches concerning the racism of the police, hence the title of the thread which is drawn from one.

Evenin' all

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Moonhead -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:19:39 PM)

That thing with Rowan Atkinson reading Griff Rhys Jones the riot act?



LadyEllen -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:21:43 PM)

That was one MH. "you have arrested this man over 50 times in the last week! Explain yourself"

The one I'm getting the title from is, from what I remember, a copper beating the hell out of some guy who its then shown is white. Cue the immortal line........ "sorry John ...." et al

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Moonhead -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:25:49 PM)

Don't remember that one, I'm afraid.



LadyEllen -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:44:42 PM)

My apologies - not only did I get the wrong show, I also imagined a far more violent scenario.

It was from The Young Ones (with apologies for the word at the end, and credit to the writers! Fair use and all that eh?)

--EXT: NEAR A CAR PARKED ON THE ROAD

[A man emerges from a Ford Tippex dressed in a suit and tie. He walks
toward the boys' home. We don't see his face. When NEIL passes him, he
turns and glances back at him.]

--EXT: OUTSIDE DOOR

[The man is wearing gloves. He rings the doorbell. Immediately after, a
policeman wearing sunglasses confidently strides up to him.]

COP: Ho ho ho. Hahahahaha.

MAN: What seems to be the trouble, officer?

[The MAN rings the doorbell again.]

COP: That's white man's electricity you're burnin', ringin' that
bell. That's theft. I've got your number, so hold out your hands.

MAN: Officer, I represent Kellogg's Corn Flakes car competition. I--

[The COP removes his sunglasses and sees the man for the first time.]

COP: Oh. Sorry, John. I thought you was a nigger. Now, Sir, carry on.


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Moonhead -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:48:20 PM)

[:D]



kdsub -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 3:58:28 PM)

What if it’s true...what if blacks are committing more crime then other groups? Should you stop taking DNA of criminals because it may SEEM as though it is racists?

I am not saying there is not racism…but if it is true how do you assure the public you are not targeting a particular group?

I believe every citizen should have his or her DNA recorded… Not popular I’m sure but I believe it could be done with strict safeguards on its use.

If not all then none.

Butch



Politesub53 -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 4:06:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

What if it’s true...what if blacks are committing more crime then other groups? Should you stop taking DNA of criminals because it may SEEM as though it is racists?

I am not saying there is not racism…but if it is true how do you assure the public you are not targeting a particular group?

I believe every citizen should have his or her DNA recorded… Not popular I’m sure but I believe it could be done with strict safeguards on its use.

If not all then none.

Butch



Hardly makes for a free society does it.



LadyEllen -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 4:07:03 PM)

I'm quite happy for those convicted to have their DNA taken (that's convicted, not arrested, not charged, indicted or whatever else) - I have trouble otherwise with the whole notion, given that "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

Now it may just be that young black men commit more crimes than any other group - but that is something we should be able to say from convictions reached by due process in open Court - not on the basis of any other form of measurement. On the other hand it could just be that young black men commit crime at the same rates as any othe group, but because theyre under more constant surveillance, subject to more stop and search and subject more often to having their DNA taken, we detect their crimes at a higher rate than any other group.

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kdsub -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 4:24:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

What if it’s true...what if blacks are committing more crime then other groups? Should you stop taking DNA of criminals because it may SEEM as though it is racists?

I am not saying there is not racism…but if it is true how do you assure the public you are not targeting a particular group?

I believe every citizen should have his or her DNA recorded… Not popular I’m sure but I believe it could be done with strict safeguards on its use.

If not all then none.

Butch



Hardly makes for a free society does it.


Does the requirement for a driver’s license make it any less of a free society?...Nope just safer

Your logic does not fly with me...all through our lives we are tagged with ID's of one kind or another. It is not the ID's that limit freedom but how they are used. I do agree there is the potential for abuse and would require very strict rules on the DNA use.

Butch



kdsub -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 4:26:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I'm quite happy for those convicted to have their DNA taken (that's convicted, not arrested, not charged, indicted or whatever else) - I have trouble otherwise with the whole notion, given that "innocent until proven guilty" thing.

Now it may just be that young black men commit more crimes than any other group - but that is something we should be able to say from convictions reached by due process in open Court - not on the basis of any other form of measurement. On the other hand it could just be that young black men commit crime at the same rates as any othe group, but because theyre under more constant surveillance, subject to more stop and search and subject more often to having their DNA taken, we detect their crimes at a higher rate than any other group.

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I agree with you LadyEllen...that is why I said it should be all or none when it comes to DNA.

Butch



LadyEllen -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 4:44:30 PM)

I'd be delighted if we were all to give our DNA, dont get me wrong. Crime fighting would be made far more simple and it would be fascinating with all that DNA to be able to know our ancestry, which tribe we each come from, how far back, and to whom we are related by those origins.

But if history, recent history, has taught us anything its that governments cant be trusted with our personal data, whether its on grounds of negligence, error or outright criminality on their parts. If required I shall provide the DNA of one of the cats as my sample, or, through connections at the local zoo, a sample from a chimpanzee - let 'em compare that! (any jokes about them not finding any significant difference between a Midlander and a chimp will result in the severest withering verbals I can muster)

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kdsub -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 5:15:44 PM)

I personally am an alien so my DNA will not match the human race anyway.

I don’t know about The United Kingdom but in the US they have assigned me a social security number, as everyone else, and they have not abused the information yet.

Will at least where it concerns me.

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 5:21:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I personally am an alien so my DNA will not match the human race anyway.

I don’t know about The United Kingdom but in the US they have assigned me a social security number, as everyone else, and they have not abused the information yet.

Will at least where it concerns me.

Butch



Thay you know about. Sorry, butch. I think its a bad idea for all of society to have their DNA on file. Falling into the wrong hands, it sould lead to all kinds of discrimination practices, some we would not even consider. Tried, convicted, ward of the state, then you are their property, so to speak. Then we run into the problem of wrong convictions.



LadyEllen -> RE: "sorry John, I thought you was a n--------r" (11/24/2009 5:22:40 PM)

The National Insurance number is the UK equivalent - we have some tens of thousands more in use than there are people here.

They lose our data so often - and sell it on to commercial organisations without consent, that they cannot be trusted even on these grounds, let alone the oppression that might be imposed by such a universal database of DNA.

Imagine - your DNA profile sold to your life insurance company - they find youre susceptible to a disease and withdraw your cover - your mortgage collapses - now homeless you lose your job and entitlement to social benefits.

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