Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President

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FatDomDaddy -> Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/25/2009 10:20:22 PM)
Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:" Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best. Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789. George Washington

AnimusRex -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/25/2009 10:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; Hmmph. Begging pardon for our transgressions. The Apology Tour continues. Sheesh.

Termyn8or -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/25/2009 11:39:24 PM)
People today would say "What transgresions" as if we were perfect. See you in the other thread, the one created about two minutes before your reponse. I don't want to hijack this one for several reasons. T

DarkSteven -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 3:56:59 AM)
FDD, I appreciate you coming up with the original words and posting them here today.

GotSteel -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 7:19:19 AM)
So....did you mean for there to be a topic of conversation here or were you just spamming us with a founding father quote?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 9:02:42 AM)
~FR~ Thanks for that quote, as I had not read it before.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 10:31:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel So....did you mean for there to be a topic of conversation here or were you just spamming us with a founding father quote? there's one in every crowd

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 10:35:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or People today would say "What transgresions" as if we were perfect. See you in the other thread, the one created about two minutes before your reponse. I don't want to hijack this one for several reasons. T which thread would that be?

slvemike4u -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/26/2009 12:47:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel So....did you mean for there to be a topic of conversation here or were you just spamming us with a founding father quote? there's one in every crowd In some crowds more than one.......which one is it?Or is it perhaps a third option...were you seeking to remind us that old George invoked the Almighty to christen the holiday and sactify the young Nation?

vincentML -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 9:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best. Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789. George Washington Can you not imagine the scene? The harvest has been gathered at Mount Vernon and all the darky slaves are assembled from the fields and kitchens to receive this benediction. How thrilled they must have been for the kindness of their Master who did not have the humanity or dignity or courage to ban involuntary human slavery from that flawed document....a young nation sanctified with millions in slavery. sheesh, indeed! More than one in every crowd, you may be assured. vincent

slvemike4u -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 9:39:48 AM)
Vincent ,if that same God Washington invoked in his address had not wanted the darkies in bondage.....well he wouldn't have placed them in their chains... would he?

vincentML -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 10:10:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Vincent ,if that same God Washington invoked in his address had not wanted the darkies in bondage.....well he wouldn't have placed them in their chains... would he? Does the same logic follow forward to the Jewish Holocaust, I wonder. Either Washington's God is omnipotent or benevolent. Do you not perceive a contradiction as I do? Or is one not to question Evil but assign it as God's will? vincent

slvemike4u -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 10:19:01 AM)
Or Washington's God is merely the product of superstition.... Though if God truly exists...he is owed many an apology.His name has been invoked to justify all maner of evil...this benign Holiday not withstanding.

vincentML -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 11:00:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Or Washington's God is merely the product of superstition.... Though if God truly exists...he is owed many an apology.His name has been invoked to justify all maner of evil...this benign Holiday not withstanding. I cannot disagree with you, Mike, on your speculation about the "product of superstition." But if real, he is owed no apology. Being omnipotent and omnibenevolent he could have prevented many a holocaust including those suffered by the Africans, Jews, and Indigenous People of the New World. The scars of all these events still inform our current affairs. The Apocolypticists (the end worlders) argue that somehow and for some unfathomable reason god has allowed Evil and his forces to have reign over this material world but he will return soon to reestablish the supremacy of Divine Righteousness. The date of return has been predicted and postponed many times. Thanksgiving for me is a rich exercise to count my good friends and good health and to wonder at the awesome magnificence of Nature which is so much greater than the powerless little god that George invoked. Have a good one, Mike. vincent

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 11:25:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Can you not imagine the scene? The harvest has been gathered at Mount Vernon and all the darky slaves are assembled from the fields and kitchens to receive this benediction. How thrilled they must have been for the kindness of their Master who did not have the humanity or dignity or courage to ban involuntary human slavery from that flawed document....a young nation sanctified with millions in slavery. You really want to use a cheap rhetorical trick such as removing a man from his time and placing modern values upon him? George Washington never purchased one slave. Of the those he inherited by marrying, he educated, allowed them to learn to read and write, allowed them to keep the monies earned from their own labors, allowed them paths to freedom from both service and purchases and made provisions for the freedom of all of them upon the death of his wife Martha. By standards on the 18th century, Washington was a radical liberal in that regard. Where Jefferson talked the talk and did nothing, Washington not only condemned Slavery, he ended to the people he had the ability to end it for. And let us not forget, it was Washington who came to the conclusion to integrate the United States Army during the Revolution and provided freedom to any of those who fought. And while I am here… That proclamation kinda puts the kibosh upon the notion that Washington did not believe in God. It also shows that evoking God does not in and of itself establish Religion

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 11:29:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Or Washington's God is merely the product of superstition.... Though if God truly exists...he is owed many an apology.His name has been invoked to justify all maner of evil...this benign Holiday not withstanding. I cannot disagree with you, Mike, on your speculation about the "product of superstition." But if real, he is owed no apology. Being omnipotent and omnibenevolent he could have prevented many a holocaust including those suffered by the Africans, Jews, and Indigenous People of the New World. The scars of all these events still inform our current affairs. . Unless of course God gave man Free Will, which He did.

slvemike4u -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 11:29:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Can you not imagine the scene? The harvest has been gathered at Mount Vernon and all the darky slaves are assembled from the fields and kitchens to receive this benediction. How thrilled they must have been for the kindness of their Master who did not have the humanity or dignity or courage to ban involuntary human slavery from that flawed document....a young nation sanctified with millions in slavery. You really want to use a cheap rhetorical trick such as removing a man from his time and placing modern values upon him? George Washington never purchased one slave. Of the those he inherited by marrying, he educated, allowed them to learn to read and write, allowed them to keep the monies earned from their own labors, allowed them paths to freedom from both service and purchases and made provisions for the freedom of all of them upon the death of his wife Martha. By standards on the 18th century, Washington was a radical liberal in that regard. Where Jefferson talked the talk and did nothing, Washington not only condemned Slavery, he ended to the people he had the ability to end it for. And let us not forget, it was Washington who came to the conclusion to integrate the United States Army during the Revolution and provided freedom to any of those who fought. And while I am here… That proclamation kinda puts the kibosh upon the notion that Washington did not believe in God. It also shows that evoking God does not in and of itself establish Religion I've got a headache.....it arrived as I tried to picture the hair being split while FDD stated that George never purchased a slave.....merely kept those he received through inheritance and marriage in bondage. A splitting headache.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 11:31:48 AM)
And then arranged for thema path for freedom... you forgot that part.

slvemike4u -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 12:53:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy And then arranged for thema path for freedom... you forgot that part. And did you forget the part where he only freed a select portion of his human "holdings" Or perhaps you didn't think it suited your purposes to dwell on that?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Thanksgiving to God: An Act Of Congress and the President (11/27/2009 1:53:26 PM)
~FR~ I sometimes wonder how well and good, those that rip things apart, would stand the same scrutiny of their lives. This quote has a nice sentiment, put in the correct context, and a punch bowl for some to shit in. You forgot to mention how he forced his wife to wear dresses that covered her ankles. Washington and many of the founding fathers believed in a god, but not as many religions are practiced today. A deist believes in a god/creator, but in a much different way. FDD if you posted that to push a religious agenda, then you are not much better than those that wish to rip it apart, you are a cog in the wheel of the same machine.

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