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Fellow -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (11/30/2009 6:40:59 PM)

If somebody is willing to see the issue more deeply analyzed, here is the thoughtful article by Prof. Richard Lindzen:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16330




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (11/30/2009 8:29:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

If somebody is willing to see the issue more deeply analyzed, here is the thoughtful article by Prof. Richard Lindzen:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16330


Cue up cries of "shill for the oil companies"




jackod -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (12/1/2009 2:55:54 PM)

the "scientist" alterred all the truth,jack




Brain -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (12/2/2009 11:47:00 AM)

Global warming is a scientific phenomena and has nothing to do with religion.

Additionally, Canada has to rid itself of the Stephen Harper conservative government in order to maintain its reputation in the world and not that of a reactionary conservative government trying to reverse progress.

Canada's image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling

The tar barons have held the nation to ransom. This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal




popeye1250 -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (12/2/2009 11:56:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Global warming is a scientific phenomena and has nothing to do with religion.

Additionally, Canada has to rid itself of the Stephen Harper conservative government in order to maintain its reputation in the world and not that of a reactionary conservative government trying to reverse progress.

Canada's image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling

The tar barons have held the nation to ransom. This thuggish petro-state is today the greatest obstacle to a deal in Copenhagen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal




"Reputation in the world?" Please explain.
And, "image lies in tatters?" I do a lot of reading and I haven't seen anything like that? What does that mean? And who said it?




LadyEllen -> RE: Copenhagen - climate change as religion, and the US Constitution... (12/2/2009 3:30:10 PM)

I must confess, I'm disappointed, or it could be delighted, that the anti crowd did not rush to support the proposition in the OP that climate change legislation would be unconstitutional given the oft recited stance of the anti crowd that climate change is religious in nature. Although it must be said, the raising in the OP of other current legislation as probably equally suspect in that context might well have affected things, regardless of all other factors.

From the responses received, it must be seen that even the most vehement of the anti crowd do not actually regard climate change as religious in nature, for if they did so regard it then one might have expected to have seen support for that view, despite how often, perhaps as a tool of debate, the accusation is laid.

Additionally, perhaps also alternatively, we may deduce that the Constitution, however much it is also used, and used too often, as a tool of debate, is not actually regarded as being strictly defined but rather of a flexible nature that may be bent to support a particular agenda as needs must. This of course is a good thing in many ways, for time marches on regardless and the needs of the hour change with each of its paces. On the other hand, it indicates that arguments advanced on the basis of it must be regarded with some skepticism wherever one sits on the political spectrum.

That there is skepticism as to climate change is undoubted - and healthy. That there is cynicism is regrettable, and most unhealthy. I am not convinced either way on the matter, but I do believe its best to take what pre-emptive action we might on a just in case basis, for to get it wrong will only be an utter disaster if one of the two possible outcomes is proven correct. And that such pre-emptive action might just generate wealth, provide a better world for our descendants and wean us from the carbon based fuels teat of vicious and tyrannical regimes and make us independent of their influences tips the balance for me - but then it is in these latter that the cynicism has grown.

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