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Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky's S... - 11/27/2009 12:36:58 PM   
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Some people might say this is redundant or parts of this are redundant and I say that may be true but as Richard Nixon would say, “ Let me make this perfectly clear.” I am not pleased with Goldman Sachs and that company's connections to the Democratic Party. Their connections to the Republican Party go without saying.

Taxpayer dollars were used by Goldman Sachs to pay millions of dollars in bonuses.

Taxpayer dollars kept AIG solvent in order to pay off Goldman Sachs bad gambling debts, which were insured by AIG.

The money used to pay bonuses was not business income Goldman Sachs earned but rather it was taxpayer money that paid the bonuses. And the money used to repay the government was not business income but was also taxpayer money. It came from the money given to AIG, which AIG used to repay Goldman Sachs.

This is important because people wrongly believe Goldman paid the loan back with business income or profits and they did not. This misconception needs to be reported with more emphasis by the media, which has largely ignored the matter. The fact is Goldman Sachs paid taxpayers back with taxpayer money. The money was not business income: Taxpayer money loaned to Goldman was paid back; again I will say it, with taxpayer money. How? AIG received taxpayer money/help and then AIG gave it to Goldman Sachs because of the credit default swap contract.

AIG insured those mortgages if they defaulted and default they did.

I have read people here on these threads say all this nonsense about how Goldman paid the money back. Goldman Sachs did not pay back a dime except with taxpayer money. And that's why I started this thread. Credit default swaps and derivatives are complicated to understand. It's hard for me to understand what happened and I have a degree in economics.

Goldman Sachs used taxpayer money to pay bonuses to their employees and repay the debt to the government. The debt was repaid but not with business income, Goldman used the taxpayer money they got from AIG. This is a clever and good example of corporate welfare. They want corporate welfare for Wall Street and free enterprise right wing capitalism for Main Street;
Barofsky nailed it.

Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky's Scathing Report On AIG Bailout

A brutal report issued Monday by a government watchdog holds Timothy Geithner -- then the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and now the nation's Treasury Secretary -- responsible for overpayments that put billions of extra tax dollars in the coffers of major Wall Street firms, most notably Goldman Sachs.

Instead of bargaining with AIG's numerous counterparties to resolve its billions of dollars in souring derivatives contracts, Geithner's team ended up paying top dollar for toxic assets -- "an amount far above their market value at the time," the report notes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/16/aig-bailout-government-ov_n_359919.html

Bailed-Out AIG Forcing Poor to Choose Between Running Water and Food | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

What are we getting in return for the bailout? So far, predatory credit card rates, exorbitant bank fees and obscene Wall Street bonuses. But we're being robbed in other, sneakier ways, too. It seems that taxpayers in the poorest, most vulnerable parts of the county are getting plundered by the same institutions they bailed out. One example is AIG's underhanded fleecing of residents of rural Kentucky.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/144203/bailed-out_aig_forcing_poor_to_choose_between_running_water_and_food?page=1



Government by Goldman Sachs

Scam central

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/674.html
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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 12:51:48 PM   
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So do people agree that Goldman Sachs did not pay anything back? Do it took me a long time to understand what had

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 12:56:14 PM   
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So do people agree that Goldman Sachs did not pay anything back? It took me a long time to understand what happened or maybe I'm just totally confused.

That last entry before, I'm having a problem with my fingers/hands and I screwed it up.

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 1:04:45 PM   
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You have a degree in economics and can't answer that question? Must be macroeconomics. Of course they paid money back. Once they received the bailout money it becomes indistinguishable from any other assets that they had unless there was a requirement to use it for certain purposes, which there wasn't afaik.

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 6:42:00 PM   
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They didn't pay back in time except with the money given to them by taxpayers. It's distinguishable to me and my degree in values tells me, not economics, is that people got totally screwed over and you don't help any continuing to keep pulling the wool over people's eyes. I think you do it because it butters your bread.

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 6:57:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

They didn't pay back in time except with the money given to them by taxpayers. It's distinguishable to me and my degree in values tells me, not economics, is that people got totally screwed over and you don't help any continuing to keep pulling the wool over people's eyes. I think you do it because it butters your bread.


LMAO. Posting on this site butters my bread?

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 7:47:08 PM   
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I don't think this site butters your bread but it would not surprise me one bit if you were involved in some way, directly or indirectly with this Wall Street fiasco.

Either that, or you own shares in one of these companies and if you don't believe in global warming you probably have shares in Exxon or own a gas station. I don't know what you do but your opinions are not objective. I think there are a lot of other people here who would agree with me.

You're implying that I'm trying to say you make money from this site in some way is a weak attempt to make me look ridiculous but suit yourself, whatever floats your boat.





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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/28/2009 8:30:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I don't think this site butters your bread but it would not surprise me one bit if you were involved in some way, directly or indirectly with this Wall Street fiasco.

Either that, or you own shares in one of these companies and if you don't believe in global warming you probably have shares in Exxon or own a gas station. I don't know what you do but your opinions are not objective. I think there are a lot of other people here who would agree with me.

You're implying that I'm trying to say you make money from this site in some way is a weak attempt to make me look ridiculous but suit yourself, whatever floats your boat.








Ive already said what I do. Im a partner in a firm that does complex economic and financial forecasting for very large corporations and occasionally government entities. We don't provide investment advice and I dont buy individual stocks. When my money isnt on the sidelines its invested in private placements and real estate, not individual stocks..except my own company of course.

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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/29/2009 7:49:46 PM   
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This is a good website for real estate news I like to read once in a while. So, just curious, did you forecast a recession or whatever it was we had?

Increasing Condo Taxes Causing More Real Estate Problems in Cities

http://www.realestateproarticles.com/Art/10747/278/Increasing-Condo-Taxes-Causing-More-Real-Estate-Problems-in-Cities.html


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RE: Geithner Singled Out In TARP Watchdog Neil Barofsky... - 11/29/2009 8:32:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

This is a good website for real estate news I like to read once in a while. So, just curious, did you forecast a recession or whatever it was we had?

Increasing Condo Taxes Causing More Real Estate Problems in Cities

http://www.realestateproarticles.com/Art/10747/278/Increasing-Condo-Taxes-Causing-More-Real-Estate-Problems-in-Cities.html




If you're asking about the housing price collapse, yes. Our 1 standard deviation window result for 5% or greater price declines was correct within 3 months in every major residential real estate market. Commercial RE was even more accurate because it lags but correlates so well with GDP.


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