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slavekal -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (11/30/2009 6:15:40 PM)

If you have been told this more than once, maybe there's something to it.  Perhaps a nice compromise between little Mary Sunshine and Ilsa the She-Wolf of the SS is the way to go.




Lockit -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (11/30/2009 7:34:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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cloudboy... This is the whole post that Underumam made. Taking one sentence out of a whole comment can lead to using that one bit of the comment in a way that suggests the poster meant something far different than what their whole post meant. I find this does a disservice to us all and undermines credibility of those choosing to push an agenda of miscontent and in this case, that would be you.


Upon review, I stand by my original post which questioned Underumam's lead sentence of: Queen Penelope, YOU ARE THE DOMME. Why question yourself?

It was not my goal to go into his whole post and the "young and inexperienced" thing. Plus, if you connect the "young and inexperienced" line of thinking to the lead sentence, the implication is that only youth and inexperience cause Dommes to engage in growing pains, self doubts, and relationship issues. To me this is a bit ageist and stereotypical as well.



It seems that you are projecting a bit there. Underumam did not state anywhere that youth and inexperience were the ONLY (your word) reasons for self doubts, growing pains or anything else. He has read a number of the op's posts, just as we all have and find that youth and inexperince have something to do with the troubles she is having with submissive men, etc. It is a subject that has been well documented if you care to research it, but older women tend to be troubled less than younger women when it comes to self image, etc. So his saying this wasn't unreasonable.

To state that these are the only reasons a woman could struggle with these things would be out of line and he did not say that... you projected that word, only into it and therefore took his words to mean something more than they meant.

In your first post bringing this up you said...

quote: Underumam

Queen Penelope, YOU ARE THE DOMME. Why question yourself?

Cloudboy:

This kind of implies that feedback and self examination don't apply to dominants.

Lockit: Where did Underumam say anything of the like cloudboy? You said it implies that meaning. He also said in his post that she should ask questions of those more expereinced and that is a part of accountablity in learning what you can from other's with more experience. Underumam was encouraging a young woman in hopes that she wouldn't go to insecure places and would ground herself in a comfortable place and not let people waylay her with what they were doing according to her posts. Knowing Underumam and his posting style besides his light hearted stuff... speaks loudly of self accountablity. So your assuming, projecting and implications are mostly your take on what he said and isn't grounded in his words or the intent of Underumam.

You are putting words in someone's mouth from most likely your own experiences and the proof is in the words that were actually spoken and then you projecting a far different meaning to them. Not a good idea when everyone can see what was really said.




thaprincess -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (11/30/2009 9:23:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Acer49
There is nothing that says a dominant is not allowed to have a heart, there is nothing that says you can not speak to a submissive like a human being. there nothing that says a dominant can't rule with caring and compassion. There is no rule that says a successful dominant must be some cold, narcissistic, ball busting bitch. You need to be the person you feel you need to be and then find a submissive that compliments that. Your dominance will only go as far as the submissive is willing to submit.


I agree with Acer49, you can be a dominant with a heart. I am and I have ALOT of heart. For instance, my sub has the flu right now and I feel extremely bad for him and truly want him to get better. I'm not always ordering him around, and there are moments where I say "aww" and tell him I just want to hug and/or kiss him. I rule him with compassion foremost, not an iron fist.




thaprincess -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (11/30/2009 9:45:31 PM)

Haha I posted twice, oops




PeonForHer -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/1/2009 3:21:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thaprincess

Haha I posted twice, oops


Please be careful about that in future, thaprincess.  True Dommes never post messages twice. 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/1/2009 11:28:36 AM)

But sometimes their Blackberries do!





thaprincess -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/1/2009 4:48:44 PM)

Or Ipod Touches 




PeonForHer -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/1/2009 6:40:00 PM)

FR.

'Blackberries' and 'touches' . . . .  

Not a day goes by without my hearing about some new part of the female anatomy, and what trouble it causes them.  Bummer.





Venatrix -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/1/2009 6:41:47 PM)

Don't mind Peon.  Every village needs its idiot. [:D]




littlesarbonn -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/2/2009 3:20:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

Don't mind Peon.  Every village needs its idiot. [:D]


I'd help out but I'm currently covering for my village.




Lockit -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/2/2009 3:50:24 PM)

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

I am having a hard time believing you would be good at village idiot littlesarbonn!




littlesarbonn -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/2/2009 5:12:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

I am having a hard time believing you would be good at village idiot littlesarbonn!


I didn't say I was good at it. I'm just filling in for the regular guy until he gets back.




cloudboy -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/2/2009 5:22:07 PM)

I'll keep it narrow -- my comment was aimed at the lead sentence. I disagree that a lead sentence cannot stand on its own as a subject for debate. It was a narrow observation by intention.

You are free to offer up more context, and it looks like underuman qualified his remarks -- but the idea that "YOU ARE THE DOMME. Why question yourself?" remains something that sits wrong with me. Maybe underman didn't mean it, maybe he qualified it, maybe its all a bit mistake, maybe my reading is flawed -- but I had to highlight those words and question the assumption built into them.





Underumam -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/2/2009 5:29:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I'll keep it narrow -- my comment was aimed at the lead sentence. I disagree that a lead sentence cannot stand on its own as a subject for debate. It was a narrow observation by intention.

You are free to offer up more context, and it looks like underuman qualified his remarks -- but the idea that "YOU ARE THE DOMME. Why question yourself?" remains something that sits wrong with me. Maybe underman didn't mean it, maybe he qualified it, maybe its all a bit mistake, maybe my reading is flawed -- but I had to highlight those words and question the assumption built into them.




I rarely let a word escape my mouth that I don't mean, and this was not one of those rare occasions...I was simply giving her the support to take some initiative...lol.




Avralivia -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/3/2009 4:11:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: QueenPenelope

I am new to this life style but I have been interested for 4 years. And now that I am able to explore this type of life style more I have met a few submissive men online. I talk to them and for the most part they tell me I am too nice or I am too passive. And I'm like wtf! I'm not trying to seem passive at all. Its just that I don't get aggressive until after we have meet each other and had a talk about what I expect and what his limits are and after we pretty much know each other past "the what's your favoriate color?" bull shit talk. What need is there to slap him and flogg him the moment we meet? Do submissive men expect you to skip the ice breaking small talk and grab him by the balls the moment you make eye contact? How do I get it through to them that I am not in no way passive but I like to get to know my potential sub before I get going in third gear?


Seems to me you have been talking to the wrong subbies [8D]  I do not demand submission when getting to know people online.  i talk to them like human beings.

Personally people seem to find that my way of doing things is more genuine and are more inclined to want to meet me because I dont say *kneel Biatch* at the first hint of them getting out of line. [:D]




cloudboy -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (12/3/2009 7:35:12 PM)


NP. I was surprised it turned into anything. Maybe I should have just let it go.




SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (4/20/2010 8:28:11 PM)

i think LittleSarbonne had a good point highlighting the fallacy of trying to optimize one's initial impression on a target one does not know= the prospective Domme or sub......recently on 2 separate early interactions with 2 different prospective Dommes, one started demanding more humility while the other seemed to pushing for me to reveal more robustness of personality so.....comes down to just being one's self on both sides and then progressing hopefully from there into role should it come to that....




LadyNTrainer -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (4/20/2010 9:02:33 PM)

Clearly if you don't show up at Starbuck's for a first meeting wearing a leather corset and garter belt and nothing else, and immediately start slapping the barista around and ordering him to give you oral sex, you're much too passive.  When your prospective subby gets there, you must then order him to strip naked and start servicing the barista.  Then you brand him and collar him.  Everyone knows you have to do it this way, or else you're a total fraud.  Just suck it up and be a REAL domme, will ya?  You're giving the rest of us a bad name.  [:D]

Removing my tongue from my cheek now, people who have stereotyped expectations of dommes are full of crap.  People act like that in porno films, not in real life. Dommes are real people too, not cardboard cut-outs from a fetish magazine.  There is no reason to expect you to behave like anything but a real person who wants to take her time getting to know someone before deciding to exchange intimate, sexual or kinky energy with them.  Additionally, not all dommes want to be the aggressor, sexually or otherwise.  Some do, and others wish to be pleased and courted and served.  There isn't really a right or wrong here so much as individual preferences that can only be acknowledged and respected.




MissAsylum -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (4/20/2010 10:00:03 PM)

you can thank porn for this.

i've been in this position before.

just because you probably are not a raving lunatic of a bitch, does not in any way determine how dominant you are.

if you are laid back- be laid back. i've come across too many subs who have this set image burned into their frontal lobes of what a Domme should be, and since you may not fit that image- you are not dominant enough.

puh-lease.

make sure you give your time to those who deserve it. i.e.- people who are aware that you are a human being FIRST, and a Domme second.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: I seem like a passive Domme?!? (4/21/2010 3:12:57 AM)

Umm...guys...this is another dead thread courtesy of the utter nitwit who keeps reviving stuff.

The OP is long gone, no?




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