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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 5:31:38 PM

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Gosh stella... i think Pawlik was a misguided idiot whether we was real or not...

... personally i am here for the sex and the fun mainly and maybe my contributions to the boards might lighten someones day... or even darken it hehe

if you have issue with some of the topics posted on the boards you can complain to the moderators surely?

Stella is talking about another website, the one that was faddish to migrate to in the not so distant past. Not this site.

The sort of thing she's describing (awful public humiliation of someone) happens a great deal in smaller unmoderated online communities like the ones that abound on that other site. I see it more as mornarchism than fascism, however, as these little in-bred groups are a lot like emotionally ill kingdoms in which the group founder is king/queen and their best buddies become cretionous bullies toward anyone not in the "in crowd" for that group. Small groups tend to become very clannish and role/status conscious. You see that a lot in virtual chat communities like IMVU in which chatroom size is limited to 10 people, max. Think of Clan of the Cave Bear with THRONES... lol, and you've got a good idea of IMVUs spot in social evolution. :/

PS: If you ever visit IMVU?
DO NOT SIT ON THE THRONES! (rofl!)

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 5:52:14 PM

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Yeah but just because someone has the right to do something, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Yeah this is the internet, so people do not have to suffer much of a consequence for their behavior, so they do the things like Stella described. I have always said, if more people were smacked in the mouth, for spewing trash talk, then there would be less trash talk, The internet has allowed that freedom of speech to occur without much consequence, when there should always be some kind of consequence for our actions, good or bad.

As Stella said, many do it for fun. I know some that do some pretty vicious things for fun too, and then try to stand behind they have the right to do it. It makes it no less vicious and petty though.

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The only gist I got is that it appears the OP is pissed that some, on an internet message board, are "fascists" for using their freedom of speech to comment about another person's profile (also freely found on the internet).

The irony of using the word fascist to describe people using their constitutional rights is mind boggling.

If a person does not want their profile discussed, perhaps they should not have one.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:07:25 PM

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Yeah but just because someone has the right to do something, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Yeah this is the internet, so people do not have to suffer much of a consequence for their behavior, so they do the things like Stella described. I have always said, if more people were smacked in the mouth, for spewing trash talk, then there would be less trash talk, The internet has allowed that freedom of speech to occur without much consequence, when there should always be some kind of consequence for our actions, good or bad.

So you advocate violence over words, hmm? Interesting. I never knew the first amendment carried with it a clause for punching out those you disagreed with.

Perhaps people on the net should just work on developing thicker skin.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:18:29 PM

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So you advocate violence over words, hmm? Interesting. I never knew the first amendment carried with it a clause for punching out those you disagreed with.

FYI - The UK (where the OP is from) doesn't have a first amendment. But that's really neither here, nor there.

I'm still trying to figure out what on earth is the Collarme Refugee camp... Was I away that long?

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:22:36 PM

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FYI - The UK (where the OP is from) doesn't have a first amendment

Perhaps, but I bet the UK has laws against punching someone out for something they said.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:23:28 PM

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FYI - The UK (where the OP is from) doesn't have a first amendment

Perhaps, but I bet the UK has laws against punching someone out for something they said.

Probably. Except for in Guy Ritchie movies. :-)

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:28:36 PM

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Probably. Except for in Guy Ritchie movies. :-)

Yes, but in that case, you have to understand what was said before you can be offended enough to punch someone. (Brad Pitt's character)

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:31:32 PM

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Probably. Except for in Guy Ritchie movies. :-)

Yes, but in that case, you have to understand what was said before you can be offended enough to punch someone. (Brad Pitt's character)

Pikey bare knuckle boxing!!

Ok.. but wait... I'm still curious what the Collarme Refugee Camp was... and was there any Pikey bare knuckle boxing there?

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 6:32:13 PM

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I disapprove of people who think laughing at someone is equivalent to shooting them. It isn't. You aren't a glorious martyr.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 9:35:33 PM

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So you're bringing drama from another site to this site, in an attempt to say you hate drama?

GLWT.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 9:51:59 PM

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Well, okay? I'm not entirely sure I see the logical train of thought connecting all these things. But, that aside, what refuge of morality will you find? Where will you go to where corruption, small mindedness, opportunism, and every other human flaw can't reach you? Where will you find a place where people don't act screwed up?

And even if you can, is that really taking a stand? I would have thought taking a stand would be something like, "My standards of behavior do not rise and fall according to those of the people around me. I'll stay here and give those that know better support and those that don't a good example, and I won't be cowed into running or removing myself."

But that's just me.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 9:55:31 PM

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Advocate? Nah, I apply it practically. Violence is an example of a consequence though, but so is social osertcizing someone, suing them, moderating them, etc.

People should develope thicker skin, but at the same time they should suffer consequences for their actions. You see you cannot have it just one way, it is either both or it is hypocricy. Most people don't get that though, because they are too busy with their rights, and don't care about right.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Yeah but just because someone has the right to do something, does not mean it is the right thing to do. Yeah this is the internet, so people do not have to suffer much of a consequence for their behavior, so they do the things like Stella described. I have always said, if more people were smacked in the mouth, for spewing trash talk, then there would be less trash talk, The internet has allowed that freedom of speech to occur without much consequence, when there should always be some kind of consequence for our actions, good or bad.

So you advocate violence over words, hmm? Interesting. I never knew the first amendment carried with it a clause for punching out those you disagreed with.

Perhaps people on the net should just work on developing thicker skin.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 10:01:18 PM

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Had a Bobby tell me once that he had better things to do than break up fights in a pub. I believe I have been in more fights in Irish pubs than any other kind of establishment. Then again a little scuffle and thump never really bothered us that much, was kind of par for the course of where we hung out. I know, pretty barbaric, but I never really cared much for the civilized crowd.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

FYI - The UK (where the OP is from) doesn't have a first amendment

Perhaps, but I bet the UK has laws against punching someone out for something they said.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/1/2009 11:46:37 PM

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OK, some valid points. But "fascism"? Please.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 12:43:25 AM

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Advocate? Nah, I apply it practically. Violence is an example of a consequence though, but so is social osertcizing someone, suing them, moderating them, etc.

People should develope thicker skin, but at the same time they should suffer consequences for their actions. You see you cannot have it just one way, it is either both or it is hypocricy. Most people don't get that though, because they are too busy with their rights, and don't care about right.

That's because what is and is not right is subjective unless backed by laws. I mean as it pertains to "the little things," of course.

I feel that speaking my mind is right. I feel I do a disservice to those I from whom I hide my true feelings. Now then, if my honesty makes you mad, that's too bad. As they say, sometimes the truth hurts. Now, if you let your anger at my truth drive you to attempt violence on me, not only have you already lost, but now you've committed a crime for which I am legally justified in defending myself from. In that instance, the only thing I need to say (to the cops) is, "I was in fear for my life and fired with the intent to stop the aggressive action."

Do you think words are worth that type of altercation? I don't.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 12:50:34 AM

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So Pawlik ratted on his folks... had they killed someone... or were they about to?
i've ratted on a drunk driver... (i was misguided too... in our society the police has apparently 'better' things to do than check such information)
So his family took great offence and killed him... a bit severe, but hey, family matters, i'd stay out of it...
So the state then punishes the killers... i suppose that has to be done...
... and then the state declares Pawlik a marter and the whole population goes with this? and builds statues and everything
Now that is the most stupid dumb hurd run after the leader stuff ever!!!!

I do not think the problem is person A who spouts their opinion... or person B who takes a stance and voices dissagreement... The problem is the whole mass of people who then vaguely informed start taking sides mainly based on whether they 'like' person A or person B regardless of the issue.
it is politics of friends... it is corrupt and our whole sick society is build on it... freemasons everywhere...
this is our world! and every so often we fall victim to it and get picked on... boohoo.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 1:26:50 AM

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The story of Pawlik keeps popping up as it has the historians split in 2 camps. Fact or fiction. It really is totally irrelevant as just change the name and the place and you can find it everywhere in all countries history books. Last time I saw it was in a book written by a professor in psychiatrics dealing with the subject of fanatics. He use it as classic case book study. Pawlik is a typical story of people who is spellbound by an ideology whether that be religious or political. The make excellent Gestapo or KGB officers or superb members of Taliban, Ahmadinjedans Revolutionary Guards and more of the same. On a non totalitarian government level you find them in terror organizations ultra right or left wing groups or criminal as in the mafia, the biker gangs, ultra racist groups and many more. Common is their total disregard for anything but the views of their peer group. And the one track mind who will kill whoever with no feelings for the damage they make. In reality we all know them or at least know of them. It is classified as a personality disorder entirely on its own and is sharply distinguished from the psychopaths who they share quite a few traits with.
Democratic governments have and use them too. They are in law enforcement, military and intelligence operations. That kind of people, who will follow an order from their chain of command, without any question or critical sense. They are the hardcore in Mossad, CIA, SAS and similar commands. Normally they are used well and to the benefit of society and then they are heroes. Sometimes the chain of command screw up and we call them war criminals. In reality they are robots and the real persons to prosecute is the person in the chain of command issuing the order. The politicians or the civilians, who in for example in a few cases sat in the oval office and their equivalent in other countries.
To compare this to what is happening on CM is like comparing peashooters to nuclear bombs. None of the above mentioned personalities would find this forum vaguely interesting unless they genuinely also was BDSM interested. What the forum attracts is first psychopathic personalities who can find victims and in their lesser variety get a kick out of deceiving people. Probably the only real dangerous group to watch for here. Another is the one I call the one hand typing naughty schoolboy who needs to hide his pimples while playing grown up. He (or she) really is quite harmless. By the way they come in ages from 12 to 95. Another group is the gold-digger’s. On CM they really are pathetic. Lovely young lady contact you and offers herself as 24/7 slave. Couple of messages forward and backward which shows she has no clue what BDSM is. Followed by a request for funds for relocation, rent or other expenses as she now is your collared slave. Well I normally answer something like I need time to know her perfectly, like a year or two before we go to collaring and my financial responsibilities really begins. That is the end of that slave story. It is a little game I play if I am really bored. Mr. Very Polite

Once in the heady Yahoo chat rooms days I decided to do an experiment. I went to the royal yacht club (where the real rich hangs out) with my paparazzi lens on the camera. Hung around for a while and a nice Ferrari comes in to the parking lot. Out comes a nice enough looking fellow around 40. I got a few shots of him, also a few more of others, but he was the best. I hung around the yacht basin and spotted him coming out the yacht club and go down to the boats. Followed him discretely and got him on a lovely multimillion $ boat. Mission accomplished. Went home and photo shopped the pictures so they really looked like posed shots. Camera got a video facility which you on software can split in to individual photographs. So just pic the right one and cut it down to size. Took a roundtrip on the real estate marked in Denmark and found a nice mansion. Then I took my boss. Made him 25 years younger, removed his wife and used his life story sort of for the profile. Made the plant 50 millions $ more worth and changed the product. Moved the whole thing 200 km in the profile. Made him a hardcore BDSM man looking for poly. I was wondering if anybody would buy it. Downloaded it and sat back waiting. Well within a week I was totally swamped. I had letters from places from Alaska to New Zealand and everything in between. Many describing in great detail what I could do to them, including pictures with names, addresses and phone numbers. All ages, shapes and many from married woman. I still got it on a disc somewhere if I should need some wankfodder

. Ok I never shown it to anybody and never will. I closed the profile and mister moneybags vanished in to thin air. Wonder if he ever ran in to any of the women as there was a few Danes among them

. But the experience showed me that women’s morale is ever as thin as the much despised males

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 5:01:33 AM

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Like I said I apply it practically, have done so for most of my life, and many times. How things work out face to face, if often different than behind a keyboard. I have very rarely had things said in person, or even heard them, that are typed on the internet. Just do a search on the subject, there are studies on the lack of consequence and posting on the internet. As far as defending yourself, before you do that with anyone I suggest you check the laws of your state. There is a difference between aggressive action and imminent threat of death or grave injury.

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 8:31:15 AM

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Like the point of Stellas story - yes im an outsider too - cant stand being pushed into "behaviour" question is it a curse or a blessing.
I recently packed my kit and left the uk for Norway - had difficulty selling the kit so i took 18 tons in a container with - a couple of weeks before leaving i got involved in a bit of road rage - i was the rather amused clear thinking victim.
Our hero stopped his car at some red lights,his companion and he flung open their doors - she raced behind my car and he menacingly advanced from the front - doubtless in the hope of having a tale to tell about this asshole driver who he floored with one blow - i ran him over - well both his feet - he didnt think i would and mooved aside at the last moment, otherwise he would have gone under.
Moral, dont think they think at all - if they get in your way - run em over.
If you do just make sure you square it with yourself first.
I rather feel that the pair saw the long traffic queue building up behind, and the smiling faces and suddenly felt very foolish - now as an outsider i can tell you this - but if i wasnt -----

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RE: Taking a stand - 12/2/2009 8:43:39 AM

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Like I said I apply it practically, have done so for most of my life, and many times. How things work out face to face, if often different than behind a keyboard. I have very rarely had things said in person, or even heard them, that are typed on the internet.

Well, I'm the opposite. I am in person how I am online. I once nearly had a fight with a coworker who was led to believe through his particular branch of service that violence solved any problem. He talked shit, I talked shit. He got mad and threatened me. I said to him"Go ahead, because I'm not going to *not* talk shit so long as you are talking shit to me. The difference is, I know it's all just words, and that's apparently something you have yet to learn."

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Just do a search on the subject, there are studies on the lack of consequence and posting on the internet.

That's because of a little thing called freedom of speech. And yes, I've seen the stories. The limitations, of course are when you report erroneous and potentially damaging information about someone and claim it is fact -- something for which you can be sued. If, on the other hand, I want to call someone an asshole, I'll call them an asshole with no repercussions. And the only repercussions they can expect from me if I'm called an asshole is for me to say "Thanks for noticing."

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As far as defending yourself, before you do that with anyone I suggest you check the laws of your state. There is a difference between aggressive action and imminent threat of death or grave injury.

Oh I have checked. I've taken the class. All that's necessary is for me to "fear for my life." And since what would make me fear for myself is entirely up to my own mind, that's all that's required. Now, of course I can't walk up to a random person and say "I'm afraid for my life" and open fire. But if someone attacked me, their intention is strictly open to interpretation at the time. If I see a crazy-looking guy who can't take a joke who has friends with him....any reasonable person would experience the necessary fear in that instance.

Actually, as a side note, another law we have is the night-time 'mayhem' law. If someone is spray-painting my house in the dark, that's called mayhem (I'm paraphrasing and may have the exact terminology incorrect..... but it's late and I'm tired.) If I walk out my back door and witness that, I can defend my home appropriately.

The castle doctrine is one of the reasons that, despite its flaws, I will never leave Texas.

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