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SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:09:22 PM)
True I propose we change our name from Great Britain to Super Great Britain (SGB). This trick worked when we upgraded ourselves from Britain to Great Britain. We have to sit down and decide what crazy units of measurement to give the world after the creation of this brave new UKSGB. I suggest a new system of length measurement based on average human tongue length. 2.5 tongues = 1 hand and 1.5 hands = 1 foot. Therefore 3.75 tongues would equal one foot.

LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:15:57 PM)
On the subject of new names I was thinking the other day about the possibility of our Scottish friends departing from the Union but retaining the Queen, which only seems fair all in all what with her being (by various ways and means) descended from James Stuart. Federation of the Combined Kingdoms of England, Wales and Scotland, for instance, or FOCK EWS for short. E

Politesub53 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:23:48 PM)
Lady E, You misheard, it is the Federation of Combined Kingdoms Europeans United. [;)]

LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:29:20 PM)
Never PS! "we shall defend our islands, whatever the cost may be", unless the US wants to annex them. E

Aneirin -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:39:56 PM)
Maybe, Britain might well become the next little star on the US flag, which might not be that bad an idea, as you have a bill of rights, and know somewhere were you stand, totally unlike us, as we contrary to what we say, do not live in a free country.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:44:02 PM)
We are already a star in that set of circular stars on the Europe flag thing, we can't appear as two stars in two different flags. no no no.

LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 4:51:42 PM)
I dont know Aneirin - the odd thing is that more and more we get rights in law that we didnt have previously through the EU, at the same time as which the establishment rails against interference and loss of sovereignty, and the UK government does its best to amend those rights as much as it can on the pretext of national security threats generated by the cynical and corrupt foreign policies favoured by the establishment. Its a great little game of chasing the tail going on between the EU and Westminster and the City all in all. E

Aneirin -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 5:09:35 PM)
My thoughts are that the new blanket laws brought about via the national security issue and the threat of terrorism, are being brought about to counter the new freedoms we are getting via the EU. To understand, those that threaten us via terrorism do so, in answer to what the country that we live in does to others, it is just that the blameless man on the street is often the target and often the receiver of anger inspired action from others.

LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 5:14:47 PM)
Exactly my thoughts Aneirin. Though it can be hazardous to well being to admit it, I often think that the "enemy" have the better half of the argument, but that they are reduced to terrorism, having no other means of communication, undermines them - and perhaps purposefully so. I see it as similar to the curbs on unions and the attacks on them of the late 19th and early 20th century, which but for some cool heads could well have made terrorists of the Labour party too, (unaffiliated with New Labour). E

Aneirin -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 5:46:01 PM)
The more I see and think of what current affairs present us with, the more I feel the danger in knowing, for those that control wish not for the secret to be out and in the public domain. My belief is that the scraps of news we are fed, are the doctored versions of a truth, made so they present a leaning away from those that control us.What comes out that leans towards our rulers seems to quickly sink without trace. Odd some might know that when politicians are out of favour, news shifts from them to something other to take the focus off politicains plight, it gives them time and space to formulate their defence, if it should be the focus again returns to them. Perhaps it is those that campaign and seek political careers, do so because they have realised and know if it is a case of them and us, they see their future more profitable with them, not us, maybe a case, of if one cannot beat them, join them, they have drawn their side.

rockspider -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 6:21:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen The British establishment wants to continue to try to pretend its a world power; the same reason they hate the EU and campaign against surrendering sovereignty to Brussels is paradoxically linked to the same reason they love the US and fall in line with Washington - lacking the means in the modern world to perpetuate their aims and preferred self ideation, they might retain at least some of both by association with the US, who although "crass" and "ill mannered" do at least speak English, unlike those damned foreigners over the Channel. E Well there is more than reason to dislike Bruxelles. Mine is that thou i voted for entry in to EU back in 1972 i have seen what it has become. An enourmus korrupt, inefficent political machine staffed by pompous, selfcentred, greedy politicians and bureaucrats who thinks of nothing more than their own benefits. For those damned foreigners across the channel as you refer to me as. I happen to have visited Britain on several ocasions. I also happens to have lived in South Africa for 20 years and known countless brits living there. One of the things i have learned about them is that they seem never to find it beneficial to learn any form of foreign language. I find it extremely crass and illmanered to have minor grammar and pronounciation corrected by some twerp standing in a foreign country and having lived there for many years still have not even managed to say a few words in that language. I have also heard brits refering to people not speaking perfect english as stupid. Well when that is coming from same asshole, well knowing that english is only my second language and i do get by in two more. Then i certainly wonder who the stupid person is. Ok i have also meet countless brits there who came in my home, was well respected bussiness associates and collegaes. It just was that, not small group, which could really get my hackles up.

Aneirin -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/2/2009 6:41:35 PM)
I think references to them over the manches was a joke, a joke many English say, perhaps references to an older time when we were told them over there were our enemy, in that, you can see our maleducation, education to serve an English hierachy cause over that of people who just want to live in peace. Odd how all through our history, the wankerous lords dominate it, france for example, in my belief got it right, it is just a pity it stopped at the channel. On the subject of another language, I have personally tried to learn a language not my own, many languages over the years, and I would still like to have a useful use of French, Arabic and Spanish, but because of a learning difficulty I possess, I am no use in any. I even at one time told an old Danish gent that I did not speak Danish in perfect Danish language, he just walked away shaking his head, another time whilst living in Sweden, I mixed up Danish and Swedish, the locals got that I was English and spoke to me in very good English, a language they apart from the OAP's learn at school.

Moonhead -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/3/2009 5:55:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 BTW what do you think of the Unilateral Extradition Treaty ? Maybe Blair innocently thought it started EU and not UE [8D] Nothing to do with the EU: that's a treaty he signed with the chimp obliging us to extradite anybody the Americans want to try for almost anything.

LadyEllen -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/3/2009 6:55:07 AM)
Oh Rockspider my dear, your English is great, but youre struggling a little with my nuanced sarcasm I think; no criticism in that, English nuanced sarcasm is something that few non Brits get, even those from the colonies. "Those damned foreigners" is exactly that nuanced sarcasm - its the sort of phrasing that the establishment use about anyone who doesnt speak English, all countries that do speak English being regarded as colonies of Empire with the US being just next to that group. I agree with your assessment of the EU but I still support the idea of it, just not the way it has been allowed to develop into an undemocratic entity operated by appointees and bureaucrats at the behest of the Franco-German axis, into which falls a number of other countries trotting happily behind, joined as they are to all intents and purposes to the interests of that axis. My problem with the way the UK has behaved in this is that it has stepped away rather than taking the lead in resisting the Franco-German agenda, something which many other countries would have supported I believe - Denmark being one of them, but the UK is still owned and operated by those who took over in 1066, built an Empire and still believe they are the chosen people, despite all evidence to the contrary. I speak fluent German and useful French, a bit of Dutch, a smattering of a mixed up Czech/Polish language that seems to work out OK on either lot and I also tried to learn some Danish once - interesting to say the least. I've travelled to around half the countries of Europe so far, mostly on business, including Denmark where my hosts got me so drunk I thought I'd die of alcohol poisoning but even so I had to have some Double Diamond beer at the English pub in the town on top simply because it had been years since I'd even seen it over here. As for the majority of my compatriots I have to agree - loud, ill-mannered, ignorant and arrogant sums up it best perhaps as regards their attitudes to Europe, of which they know nothing aside from their two weeks in the sun on the Costas of Spain or the islands of Greece, where to their delight they eat English food and drink English beer shipped in specially for them, 'cause they wouldnt want to touch any of that "foreign muck" as their copy of the Sun or Mirror (also specially shipped in for them) has educated them is European food. When abroad on business and I spot Brits I pretend to be German to avoid any association with them. Med venligst Hilsen E

Moonhead -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/3/2009 8:41:07 AM)
The really offensive thing about that, of course, is that these are the same people who whine about immigrants coming over here and not adapting to the local culture. Coming from somebody who plans to retire to some dump in Spain where they won't ever hear a word of Spanish because it's an expatriate colony in all but name, that's more or less taking the piss.

Missokyst -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/3/2009 8:58:13 AM)
I haven't thought of government, as government in a long time. We only think our countries leaders are the politicians we elect. Money is the true power. People who have money pull the strings. So if the UK seems to be following in our wake, it probably has more to do with the money behind it, as opposed to some misguided loyalty.

Politesub53 -> RE: America's lap dog ? (12/3/2009 4:04:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 BTW what do you think of the Unilateral Extradition Treaty ? Maybe Blair innocently thought it started EU and not UE [8D] Nothing to do with the EU: that's a treaty he signed with the chimp obliging us to extradite anybody the Americans want to try for almost anything. Whoosh, joke flies over London and lands in a field in Essex. EU - UE Initials reversed ect ect.. [8D]

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