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wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 6:25:58 AM)
Hi Zechriel and thank you for responding. Your point of vies are very interesting to me. I too am not wiccan. My Goddess is Pele of Hawaii. Do i serve her? Yes!. What she says goes, so i am not one to say no to Her. The same way with God. David Sir is an orthodox Jew, but is open to my walk of life. Thank the Goddess/God for that. All that i am is in effort to be what is required of me from a spiritual point of view. My personal make-up is to submit, yet to also be a peaceful warrior. Again thank you for your response

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 6:34:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming Yes, in the sense that my D/s is a part of my authentic self, just as my spirituality is. Isn't it nice to be in touch with the authentic self? :) I love it...it so much better then being everything but who i am. :)

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 6:40:58 AM)
Oh i sure understand the "Jewish mother guilt trip', and try not to be control by it. I even asked my daughter this past year, if i ever did that to her. I was happy to hear I didn't. There is nothing wrong with having needs met as well as wants. I cherish all of that. I been very fortunate to have had that, and am finding it now again:). It does help us grow and blossom. Thank you for responding.

Underumam -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 7:00:38 AM)
It seems that this topic is widely varied, and nobody's wrong for their opinions. My personal submission is of a spiritual nature, due to my observations of life and understanding/respect of TRUE female power. I'm not suggesting that I worship her like she's on an equal level with God, but in some ways she is my physical go-between. Pleasing and tending to her is on par with demonstrating my desire/ability to serve, and I see this as a spiritual act.

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 7:12:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam It seems that this topic is widely varied, and nobody's wrong for their opinions. My personal submission is of a spiritual nature, due to my observations of life and understanding/respect of TRUE female power. I'm not suggesting that I worship her like she's on an equal level with God, but in some ways she is my physical go-between. Pleasing and tending to her is on par with demonstrating my desire/ability to serve, and I see this as a spiritual act. I really like that and thank you:). Wow, i like it.

Underumam -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 7:23:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam It seems that this topic is widely varied, and nobody's wrong for their opinions. My personal submission is of a spiritual nature, due to my observations of life and understanding/respect of TRUE female power. I'm not suggesting that I worship her like she's on an equal level with God, but in some ways she is my physical go-between. Pleasing and tending to her is on par with demonstrating my desire/ability to serve, and I see this as a spiritual act. I really like that and thank you:). Wow, i like it. YW. This became even clearer to me when I was charged with being my daughters daily care-giver during the first 8 years of her life. WOW! The rewards of service are innumerable.

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 8:51:08 AM)
Isn't that a wonderful experience, Underumam? My late husband found himself in that position early in our daughter's life. That was because i was in the hospital for awhile and very sick to really take care of her then. Their closeness was wonderful to watch. It was my pleasure to see that kind of bonding, which he never experienced before. Life has it's strange bends, for sure. In my daughter's life she was graced with close and bonding relationships with both of her parents..

Hierodule -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 10:47:28 AM)
For me it is not. However, I was just informed that I will be attending MASS every Sunday once I move in with My Master. I will be asked to be a member of a religion that I consciously rejected when I was 14 by refusing to be confirmed. So my submissiveness is connected to my spiritual beliefs in the sense that I am rejecting my own atheism in order to obey My Master. I almost think I should have set this as a limit before accepting his collar but I didn't set any and it never occurred to me. I'm kidding. I'm fine with it. I won't be the only person in the world who goes to Mass on Sunday without believing. Far from it.

Hierodule -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 11:03:21 AM)
you know thinking about this a little more i realized that my submissiveness is connected to my spirituality. My Atheism is different. I seem to believe in all gods equally. I believe in mythology (not an oxymoron) as a key to things that are beyond our understanding. And i do feel that there is a little more to humans than what is on the surface. I don't believe in a soul, so to speak, but I do believe in transcendence of the mind. And my submissiveness does get me to that place. Maybe it isn't transcending the mind so much as getting to a part of the mind isn't usually accessible. That is my "spirituality" and my submissiveness is very much connected to it.

UniqueRaven -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 11:41:35 AM)
For me submission is very spiritual. The act of letting go, releasing control, simply being present and open to whatever arrives in a "space" is a very spiritual experience - it is when we connect most readily to the Divine, however we each define it. Meditation is what connects my submission to the spiritual. I am actively giving up to the universe (which contains God) and remaining open, present, and ready for whatever may come.....very submissive. And this is why i submit, by the way - it is finding that intensity of connection, and holding myself open to that connection. The peace and security and sense of safety from Ownership enables and facilitates my remaining open in that way. Nice thoughts for a Saturday morning. Blessings and Namaste, julie

UniqueRaven -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 11:46:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam It seems that this topic is widely varied, and nobody's wrong for their opinions. My personal submission is of a spiritual nature, due to my observations of life and understanding/respect of TRUE female power. I'm not suggesting that I worship her like she's on an equal level with God, but in some ways she is my physical go-between. Pleasing and tending to her is on par with demonstrating my desire/ability to serve, and I see this as a spiritual act. Exactly. My service is the same. At the same time i'm serving him, i'm serving the Divine - even though i don't consider him to be God, he is the pathway and the facilitator for my expression of that aspect of my submission.

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 12:57:52 PM)
Hierodule, oh i can relate. I haven't been involved in the Jewish religion for 40 years, except going to family functions. Sir is an Orthodox Jew, though he too has been away from his roots to for awhile. Now we both are entering it again, yet he understand the mystical side of me and embraces that part of me.

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 1:00:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam It seems that this topic is widely varied, and nobody's wrong for their opinions. My personal submission is of a spiritual nature, due to my observations of life and understanding/respect of TRUE female power. I'm not suggesting that I worship her like she's on an equal level with God, but in some ways she is my physical go-between. Pleasing and tending to her is on par with demonstrating my desire/ability to serve, and I see this as a spiritual act. Exactly. My service is the same. At the same time i'm serving him, i'm serving the Divine - even though i don't consider him to be God, he is the pathway and the facilitator for my expression of that aspect of my submission. I like that UniqueRaven. For me and for the majority of my life my way of presenting myself to others has been my way of serving the Deity i am connected too. It is so important for me to have a pathway of serving. Thank you for sharing.

Underumam -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 7:03:21 PM)
Conversely, when I fail to please and be everything she needs/wants me to be, I feel I fail in a spiritual sense. This can be/is very devastating.

OralCuckGurl -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/5/2009 10:02:40 PM)
I am just happy to see a posting pertaining to spirituality here. For my own self, I do believe that the spiritual realm must be the foundation for a long-term relationship that is deep, intense, compatible, and everlasting. My own views would be that I would simply adopt the spiritual values of my Owner. Dainty Curtsey, Stacey

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/6/2009 7:13:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam Conversely, when I fail to please and be everything she needs/wants me to be, I feel I fail in a spiritual sense. This can be/is very devastating. Yes, i can understand that, though i have learned another way to view that. When i fail it is an avenue being presented to me to grow. Sometimes it can be an area where i need to challenge myself to reach further for a Dom, or if it didn't work out, then it is a lesson for me to explore and ask myself some very tough questions. In doing this, the challenge is taking the blame off Dom or me, and seeing what was meant to be learned period. That though is one of the strongest keys in my spiritual path; seeing the lesson without blaming another, and learning from it. blessings wisdomtogive

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/6/2009 7:15:50 AM)
Thank you Oral:)

Lucienne -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/6/2009 7:40:18 AM)
FR - my two cents worth composed elsewhere: I find that for many people talking about D/s dynamic that the urges they feel are more akin to the natural religious urges that have caused religion to have such a place in the human mind for eons. They want to know that someone is in control. They want to know that there is a structure that gives meaning. They don't want to be slaves as much as they want to be saints - in communion with the Master/God and serving His purpose. It's common in religious thought to theorize that God created humanity because true love requires an Other. Similarly, a dominant person will not be satisfied by controlling his own life in the same way that he will be satisfied by controlling the life an Other. Control that was freely given by the Other. I just find the parallels to religious devotion difficult to ignore. (Please note, I'm not suggesting that subs literally worship their doms, or necessarily view them as infallible, etc.)

wisdomtogive -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/6/2009 8:56:12 AM)
Interesting view point Lucienne. Yes, as a child my whole desire was to become the female counterpart of Moses. It was a deep stirring within me, and i guess i still out to save the world, but a lot less now. i do need some image, ritual or something for a focus point, and in that I serve, as a tool to serve the Highest Power there is.

Underumam -> RE: Is your submissive also connected to your Spiritual beliefs? (12/6/2009 9:28:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive quote: ORIGINAL: Underumam Conversely, when I fail to please and be everything she needs/wants me to be, I feel I fail in a spiritual sense. This can be/is very devastating. Yes, i can understand that, though i have learned another way to view that. When i fail it is an avenue being presented to me to grow. Sometimes it can be an area where i need to challenge myself to reach further for a Dom, or if it didn't work out, then it is a lesson for me to explore and ask myself some very tough questions. In doing this, the challenge is taking the blame off Dom or me, and seeing what was meant to be learned period. That though is one of the strongest keys in my spiritual path; seeing the lesson without blaming another, and learning from it. blessings wisdomtogive Thank you Wisdomtogive. Yes, taking the lessons and learning without attaching blame or guilt is one of the hardest things in overcoming ones own weaknesses. Blame clouds the judgment, and inspires unhealthy reactions in all concerned. Yet, we all fall into it's trap from time to time..(at least I do) lol. It's good see someone who has clearly grasped this fact...

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