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rulemylife -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 5:47:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

To everyone here who voted for Obama but have come to have various extents of "Buyer's Remorse" for various reasons, it seems to me that the most valid criticism of Obama would be that he bamboozled all of you into voting for him.  Just sayin'...


I don't feel "bamboozled".

Nor do I have "buyer's remorse".

Just sayin'.




slvemike4u -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 8:01:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

McChrystal's......better now?[:D]


No, who the hell is McChrystals?

Boi, Gen.McChrystal is the Commander of the International  Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan(yep,thats his job tittle...lol)
In other words cpmmander of American(as well as international) forces in Afghanistan....I do hope that clears up any confusion you are under[:D]




DomImus -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 9:46:27 AM)

I think the candidate very often looks more appealing than the president he becomes regardless of which side of the aisle he comes from and I don't think the result is terribly unexpected since we've seen it play out over and again. It's not uncommon for the elected official to fail to live up to all of the fanfare and Obama had the deck stacked against him in that department. Talk about fanfare - sheesh. Yeah, it's disappointing. Disappointing to those who supported him to see this happen and actually disappointing to those of us who did not support him. Sometimes being proven right isn't all that it is cracked up to be.






willbeurdaddy -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 10:18:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

To everyone here who voted for Obama but have come to have various extents of "Buyer's Remorse" for various reasons, it seems to me that the most valid criticism of Obama would be that he bamboozled all of you into voting for him.  Just sayin'...


I don't feel "bamboozled".

Nor do I have "buyer's remorse".

Just sayin'.



In the best cons, the mark doesnt even know he's been conned.

Just sayin'




mnottertail -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 10:23:41 AM)

is that the etymology of the word, neo-cons?




InvisibleBlack -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 11:49:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

is that the etymology of the word, neo-cons?


Okay. That made me laugh.




InvisibleBlack -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 12:10:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
While I respect his information gathering and trying to bring sides together, I have to admit to a feeling that it is time to fish or cut bait that is rapidly turning into one of it being time for him to shit or get off the pot.



To be fair, Barack Obama is a guy in his forties with a degree in law from Harvard and some experience in politicking in Chicago. He is not a military genius nor does he have any military expertise. He is not an economics or financial wizard and, in fact, knew next to nothing about economics when he was running for office - I expect he's gotten a few crash courses in it by now. Personally, I think he's in over his head and he knows it. Issues like the Israeli-Palestine conflict or "stabilizing" Afghanistan or resolving the utter collapse of the core of the banking system are problems that experts and geniuses have been wrestling with for generations. It's unrealistic to expect President Obama to have an answer to these problems.

My own opinion is that when he threw his hat in the ring for the office, his "Hope & Change" message was sincere, but his view of "Hope & Change" had to deal with racial conflict and social inequity in this country - he may well have been the perfect President to address matters of race in the United States. Unfortunately for him, by the time the Presidential campaign was well under way and it was too late to change the direction of the runaway Obama express, the bottom fell out of the global economy and it turned out that rather than "winding down" as it appeared to be under Bush, the conflicts in the Middle East were merely simmering and were unresolved.

So now you have a Harvard lawyer in a role where you need a statesman, general and economist. I fully understand his seeking advice from the "best and brightest" in the hopes that solutions would rise to the surface. The problem here, as I see it, is that he is not surrounded by the "best and brightest" but by a coterie of Washington insiders and political hacks - the Bush war machine, Clinton administration re-treads, and Wall Street insiders - none of whom have any good answers. If they ever did, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

You're never going to get "consensus" over any serious issue. This is why whenever I hear someone claim the consensus of economists or scientists or whatever agree on something, I know they're blowing smoke up my ass. As opposed to Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" view of a Utopia if only you got the creative geniuses together, the fact is if you put 100 geniuses who are experts on a given subject in a room to discuss an issue, you won't get harmony and an answer, you're more likely to get fistfights.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. The right answers to these problems, even if we knew what they were, would make a lot of people unhappy when you suggested them, more unhappy when you rammed them through over opposition, and would only be "obvious" and "brilliant" in retrospect. I expect we're going to see a lot more discussion, a lot more rhetoric, and a lot more thrashing around without committing all-out to a given solution - and along the way more and more people are going to become dissatisfied with the way things are going.

I see a lot of trouble ahead.




Musicmystery -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 12:13:32 PM)

A very good post, IB.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 12:45:13 PM)

Well said, IB




popeye1250 -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 12:52:25 PM)

InvisableBlack, well said, very good points!
I'm a "minimalist" when it comes to dealing with foreign countries.
My govt. is on *my dime* and I don't want them taking my time or my resources dealing with foreign countries. That's *not* what we elect them to do.
It seems like every few years the Israelis and Palestinians get into it and whoever is president wants to get us involved and there are "peace talks" and of course a Big Check to both sides until, "the next time!"
President Carter had "peace talks" with these two years ago, that's enough!
President Obama would be wise to stay out of that mess and avoid being sucked into the problems of foreign countries who "want a check" from U.S. Taxpayers.
I don't know if this is true or not but I thought I heard somewhere that the U.S. is taking Palestinian "refugees" into this country. Anyone know?
I certainly hope it's not true!
A few years ago someone decided that *U.S. Taxpayers* should pay to "rebuild Palestine!" WTF is that all about?
President Obama should avoid falling into the trap of "The U.S. as Social Worker to the World!"
And he should certainly avoid trying to play "President of the World" like that sociopath Clinton did!
Presidents should take a course in, "learning to say NO!"
My biggest criticism of President Obama so far is that he's failed to secure that Mexican border and enforce our immigration laws. Now that is something he can do, should do and has a legal obligation to do!
Also he said he'd ,..."revisit NAFTA."
What's to "revisit?" Get us out of it! It's been nothing but a *disaster* foisted on the American People by Bush the elder and Clinton the sociopath to "pay off" their big business friends.
And if he even tries any type of "amnesty" stick a fork in him, he's done! You can't go against the wishes of 95% of the American People and hope to be reelected. Why walk through a minefield if you don't have to?
I don't care if I have to vote for Sarah Palin!!! I'll put my finger on the lever, close my eyes, bite my tongue and pull it!!!
I simply do not understand why people, once they get to Washington think that enforcing our laws is "optional", it isn't! And President Obama being a lawyer should know that very well.




DomImus -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 4:03:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: InvisibleBlack
My own opinion is that when he threw his hat in the ring for the office, his "Hope & Change" message was sincere, but his view of "Hope & Change" had to deal with racial conflict and social inequity in this country - he may well have been the perfect President to address matters of race in the United States.


Based on his comments during the Skip Gates fiasco I have to respectfully disagree here.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 4:42:40 PM)

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Based on his comments during the Skip Gates fiasco I have to respectfully disagree here.
ORIGINAL: DomImus




If you look at the situation, the cop was as dumb as Obama said he was, just for different reasons. Fortunately, everyone got something good out of it. It was a win-win-win photo op of a situation.





DomImus -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 4:55:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales
If you look at the situation, the cop was as dumb as Obama said he was, just for different reasons. Fortunately, everyone got something good out of it. It was a win-win-win photo op of a situation.


Obama took a tense situation and made it more tense by shooting from the hip. If you saw the whole Skip Gates incident as a win-win-win that's your prerogative. I didn't and I'm not the only one who feels that way.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/5/2009 7:16:06 PM)

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Obama took a tense situation and made it more tense by shooting from the hip. If you saw the whole Skip Gates incident as a win-win-win that's your prerogative. I didn't and I'm not the only one who feels that way.

ORIGINAL: DomImus



Let's not get into the "fifty billion flies can't be wrong" defense, Dom. The cop in the case acted stupidly, not because Gates was black, but because a cop in that town doesn't bust a Harvard professor for anything less than murder. Trust me, Harvard owns that town and the professors own Harvard.

I to this day think that Gates got himself busted because there was no downside to it for him. He got a bunch of free publicity, a lot of street cred among academics and a national rep that isn't going to hurt his speaking fees one bit.

That being said, Gates got his publicity, the cop got his fifteen minutes of fame and a boost in the law enforcement community (the cop who speaks "you're busted" to power) and Obama got to speak out on police treatment of people of color (a real and significant problem for those who aren't Harvard professors) and then bring them together to get a few points as a bringer of peace.

So, all in all, everyone came out with something good from this situation. It still looks like win-win-win to me.





Moonhead -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 1:32:01 PM)

Indeed.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 1:47:50 PM)

Not to me. The arrogant and overbearing way that Obama  handled that incident cost him a great deal of respect in my eyes, and plays a large part in my judgment that he is not ready after all for the office he holds. I mark that event down as a loss for him, not a win. 




Kirata -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 1:57:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Not to me. The arrogant and overbearing way that Obama handled that incident cost him a great deal of respect in my eyes, and plays a large part in my judgment that he is not ready after all for the office he holds. I mark that event down as a loss for him, not a win.

Seconded. In my opinion, Obama's remarks were out of line and revealed a knee-jerk assumption that I didn't like to see, and that turned out to be not even close.

K.




TheHeretic -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 2:05:47 PM)

I had reached the decision that he wasn't ready for the office he now occupies prior to the election, Panda. 




slvemike4u -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 2:16:55 PM)

Yeah,if I recall you had made that abundantly clear.[:D]




FatDomDaddy -> RE: A Valid Critisism of Obama? (12/6/2009 2:25:46 PM)

“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15-16

Just sayin' ;-)




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