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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 11:43:16 AM   
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In that case Mike, I stand corrected. However, my points still stand in the debate of the pros and cons of firearm control.
All cool...but it would help if those on your side would try to keep in mind that most on my side are discussing as you yourself put it"firearm control".....not necessarily banning.That is an NRA tactic....move the conversation immediately to banning and the discussion stops and yelling begins....most rational people realise there will ne no banning.....common sense laws are another matter,of course first one would need the idiots(on both sides) to shut up.


You're the one calling for a ban on manufacturing firearms. Do you really see a significant distinction between banning their manufacture and banning them altogether?


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 11:50:49 AM   
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Yeah....what with enough for....how did Loki put it....yeah my grandkids children to have all they want.
But lets be real....thats just a pie in the sky pipe dream....I would settle for some common sense National law concerning sales.You know something that doesn't make one states laws a joke( New York...and the Carolina's)

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 1:28:12 PM   
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What to Do if a Burglar Breaks into Your Home

Fascinating... and absolutely useless to me because of where I live.



Maybe, not sure why, but what do you thinik might it have helped Orion?

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:06:52 PM   
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What to Do if a Burglar Breaks into Your Home

Fascinating... and absolutely useless to me because of where I live.



Maybe, not sure why, but what do you thinik might it have helped Orion?

Butch


As Lady Pact so succinctly pointed out - what he did seems to have  worked just fine.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:17:49 PM   
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Not getting much sleep lately, but will try to articulate some thoughts:

1) Spinner and a couple of others have it right. There should be required safety and knowledge courses that are required for the ownership of pistols. Not sure I support it as much for shotguns and rifles, because most of those are covered under hunting safety courses.

2) I live in the more rural section of my county, and the county is pretty rural to begin with. We do not even have to get emissions here, while a few counties close to Atlanta does. So a 7 and a half min response time is pretty good.

3) I was not positive what the sound was, until I stepped into the storage room. Up until then I was thinking my oldest son or an animal, especially when I went to look in the storage room where we keep some of our tools. I could have stepped out and taken a position beside the stairs, which would have covered entry to the hall and stairs, where there was family, but then my back would have been to my son's and my room. Where I took my stand there was a concrete exterior wall behind the raccoon, and behind me.

4) There are several different ways it could have been handled, and I have thought of them all, at least once, and some maybe a hundred.

5) The raccoon did live.

As an aside, two years ago there was a high speed chase a couple of counties closer to Atlanta, and it ended with them forcing the driver into a crash that resulted in the driver being paralyzed. There are no news stories on it, that I ever found, but there is a civil judgment that can be found online at findlaw. If anyone reviews any of my previous posts on gun ownership, you will notice just a couple of posts stating what I said in point 1. I really don't care much about changing anyone's position on gun ownership, it has never been that big of a concern to me. It really doesn't matter much to me whether people liked the raccoon or not.

This topic has gotten pretty ridiculous, which I thought it would, and why I posted it here. A couple are correct, and I said they were before, I should never have started the topic about the raccoon, I was pretty stupid for doing such without thinking it through. PETA has already been in touch, and charges are pending.

If there is one single thing that everyone could do, that I am asking, is please stop the insults. No need for it really, other than I do agree with being stupid and do not consider that an insult, but not for the initial reactions.

Would anyone like to be involved in a discussion about how someone feels after shooting a raccoon? Maybe how the people in the house feel afterwards? The anxiety that plagues everyone in that house that is old enough to understand what happened? Maybe how you seem to hear even more sounds afterwards? Maybe we could discuss how something like this makes you think about raccoons even more, and that it is an internal struggle to not see raccoons everywhere you look?

I don't think I would have done much different except for 1) Need to buy a shotgun so I do not have to worry about interior wall penetration, 2) Need to get a Rottie and have it trained. I have a friend that is looking into a genetically sound pup for me now 3) Will think, think and then think again before posting anything even close to this. Don't need PETA coming down on me after all, and unless you have ever had PETA to deal with, you really wouldn't understand.

I wouldn't recommend most people to handle it like I did, unless maybe they had the training and experience to do so.

Since I am not monitoring this topic that much anymore, if someone does post a link about the raccoon, can someone please report it as a violation of TOS or something.

Thanks!

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:26:17 PM   
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Maybe, not sure why

My home is essentially one big room. Even if I were inclined to hide and hope they went away, I couldn't. Anyone taking 2 steps through my door is 10' from my sleeping area and can see the whole place. Add to that the fact that my cell doesn't get reception inside, and maybe you can see why anyone entering my home uninvited will be met with a loaded gun.
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but what do you thinik might it have helped Orion?

Nope. LP and Lockit covered most of the reasons why.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:37:39 PM   
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Need to buy a shotgun so I do not have to worry about interior wall penetration

A shotgun can be hard to maneuver and bring to bear in close quarters, unless it's something short like a Tromix S17 (scroll down). A helluva lot cheaper and handier, for my money, is the Model 4510 by Taurus. It's a .45/.410 revolver, and you can mix up both in the wheel in case the racoon is wearing layers of heavy clothing.

At least it wasn't a possum. I hate those fuckers.

K.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:39:34 PM   
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At least it wasn't a possum. I hate those fuckers.

K.



Yeah, I know.  They're tricky little bastards. No matter how many rounds you pour into them, you can never really be sure they're dead.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:40:49 PM   
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Not getting much sleep lately, but will try to articulate some thoughts:

1) Spinner and a couple of others have it right. There should be required safety and knowledge courses that are required for the ownership of pistols. Not sure I support it as much for shotguns and rifles, because most of those are covered under hunting safety courses.

2) I live in the more rural section of my county, and the county is pretty rural to begin with. We do not even have to get emissions here, while a few counties close to Atlanta does. So a 7 and a half min response time is pretty good.

3) I was not positive what the sound was, until I stepped into the storage room. Up until then I was thinking my oldest son or an animal, especially when I went to look in the storage room where we keep some of our tools. I could have stepped out and taken a position beside the stairs, which would have covered entry to the hall and stairs, where there was family, but then my back would have been to my son's and my room. Where I took my stand there was a concrete exterior wall behind the raccoon, and behind me.

4) There are several different ways it could have been handled, and I have thought of them all, at least once, and some maybe a hundred.

5) The raccoon did live.

As an aside, two years ago there was a high speed chase a couple of counties closer to Atlanta, and it ended with them forcing the driver into a crash that resulted in the driver being paralyzed. There are no news stories on it, that I ever found, but there is a civil judgment that can be found online at findlaw. If anyone reviews any of my previous posts on gun ownership, you will notice just a couple of posts stating what I said in point 1. I really don't care much about changing anyone's position on gun ownership, it has never been that big of a concern to me. It really doesn't matter much to me whether people liked the raccoon or not.

This topic has gotten pretty ridiculous, which I thought it would, and why I posted it here. A couple are correct, and I said they were before, I should never have started the topic about the raccoon, I was pretty stupid for doing such without thinking it through. PETA has already been in touch, and charges are pending.

If there is one single thing that everyone could do, that I am asking, is please stop the insults. No need for it really, other than I do agree with being stupid and do not consider that an insult, but not for the initial reactions.

Would anyone like to be involved in a discussion about how someone feels after shooting a raccoon? Maybe how the people in the house feel afterwards? The anxiety that plagues everyone in that house that is old enough to understand what happened? Maybe how you seem to hear even more sounds afterwards? Maybe we could discuss how something like this makes you think about raccoons even more, and that it is an internal struggle to not see raccoons everywhere you look?

I don't think I would have done much different except for 1) Need to buy a shotgun so I do not have to worry about interior wall penetration, 2) Need to get a Rottie and have it trained. I have a friend that is looking into a genetically sound pup for me now 3) Will think, think and then think again before posting anything even close to this. Don't need PETA coming down on me after all, and unless you have ever had PETA to deal with, you really wouldn't understand.

I wouldn't recommend most people to handle it like I did, unless maybe they had the training and experience to do so.

Since I am not monitoring this topic that much anymore, if someone does post a link about the raccoon, can someone please report it as a violation of TOS or something.

Thanks!
And yet you are still insisting the raccoon was armed?

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:43:25 PM   
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1) Need to buy a shotgun so I do not have to worry about interior wall penetration

You could always use glaser safety slugs, but... ummm... I don't think the raccoon would have fared too well if you had.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:45:18 PM   
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And yet you are still insisting the raccoon was armed?

It was. Ever faced down a pissed off adult raccoon?


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 2:49:07 PM   
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It was. Ever faced down a pissed off adult raccoon?

Fuck yes, and they don't put their paws up when you tell them either.

K.




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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:06:23 PM   
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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:20:10 PM   
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What to Do if a Burglar Breaks into Your Home

Fascinating... and absolutely useless to me because of where I live.



Maybe, not sure why, but what do you thinik might it have helped Orion?

Butch


As Lady Pact so succinctly pointed out - what he did seems to haveĀ  worked just fine.



Yes it did...except for the parents of the kid.

Butch

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:22:04 PM   
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Maybe, not sure why

My home is essentially one big room. Even if I were inclined to hide and hope they went away, I couldn't. Anyone taking 2 steps through my door is 10' from my sleeping area and can see the whole place. Add to that the fact that my cell doesn't get reception inside, and maybe you can see why anyone entering my home uninvited will be met with a loaded gun.
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but what do you thinik might it have helped Orion?

Nope. LP and Lockit covered most of the reasons why.


Will God keep you safe and you too anyway you can

But remember one of the options was to get in a closet with a cell... May be better than finding a gun...loading it...then having a gun battle with the kids around...but each to their own I guess...You could also have the gun in the closet for just such an occasion..sounds like a good plan to me.

Butch

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:38:13 PM   
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3) Will think, think and then think again before posting anything even close to this.


I am really glad that you did post this and that you and yours are okay. Reading about your encounter gave me some input to think about if I ever have to face the same situation. Seeing you post it and seeing some of the asshats that came out of the woodwork was enlightening, too. A few of them were to be expected but a few also surprised me with the level to which they could sink. I won't ever be sharing any stories here if this event happens to me but I learned from your thread. Thank you.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:38:59 PM   
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Yes it did...except for the parents of the kid.

Are you talking about the parents of a "kid" whose exposure to parental love and concern can be judged from the fact that he is out prowling neighborhoods at night armed with a gun and a knife bent on hell knows what?

Yeah, I'll feel sorry for them. Gimmie a minute....

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:48:22 PM   
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Yes it did...except for the parents of the kid.

Are you talking about the parents of a "kid" whose exposure to parental love and concern can be judged from the fact that he is out prowling neighborhoods at night armed with a gun and a knife bent on hell knows what?

Yeah, I'll feel sorry for them. Gimmie a minute....

K.





Yes I am Kirata...I've two daughters. I love them both to death...I think I raised them with good family values.. One is an executive with ADP with a 6 figure salary. The other is a drug addict in constant trouble... I have tried everything I know to help her...it is killing me to be so helpless... There is a good chance she could end up on the wrong side of a gun...I would be devastated even thought I know it is no ones fault but her own... I would feel for any parent in that situation...how about you are you that hard hearted ?

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:53:17 PM   
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 Unfortunately despite the best intentions of the most loving parents...things go wrong in a childs life......little small decisions are made that lead inexorably down the wrong path.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/9/2009 3:56:53 PM   
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I have tried everything I know to help her...it is killing me to be so helpless... There is a good chance she could end up on the wrong side of a gun...I would be devastated even thought I know it is no ones fault but her own... I would feel for any parent in that situation...how about you are you that hard hearted ?

I'm sorry, and I do understand your point. Something like that happened in my family too. Nobody was ever able to explain it. But you don't know that that's the case here, and I'm not prepared to assume it. You are projecting in the absence of facts, and in my opinion you have been doing that through most of this thread. You don't even know if his parents are still alive, let alone sober enough to give a shit.

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