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ORIGINAL: Peregrinus1716
the only thing i see wrong with your actions is that at least in my state the police have advised us to empty the clip especially if we have military trainning because they are likely to argue that it was not self defense if it is controlled. Not a veiw point i like but something i figured i'd mention don't know if it works in the rest of the usa

The police are advising people to empty guns in an uncontrolled manner......glad I don't live in that state

Re-read the comment. He said nothing about "uncontrolled." He simply said "empty the clip." You can empty the clip in a controlled manner and have it still look like you were so afraid for your life, you kept pulling the trigger until the gun only clicked.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Not enough yum. Let's put all the pregnant Women in an institution and control their diet and keep them away from drugs. Mother and child stay at the facility for five years after birth and Parenting is "assisted" by experts. Before leaving after that term the intended family home is inspected and must be devoid of any danger. That means using plastic silverware just like jail. There also must be an effective security system in place with bars on the windows and doors. All outside excursions must be approved by a board of counsellors.

At the entrances to the living area all visitors must present picture ID at the camera mounted near the entrances and will not gain admittance without a background check. The family is inspected daily to make sure they are properly nourished and cared for. Also, cameras are installed in every room with a high speed digital interface to the home office to make sure the guidelines are met at all times. The police stop by to strip search every visitor.

The Parents are stripped of all money and liquid assets and given a card with which they can only make approved purchases. Parents caught with regular currency or any unapproved form of credit will be incarcerated.

But then they already were. Sorry about your rights, there is something more important. We need able bodied soldiers in the future so this is for the good of all. As for the cost ? Just print more money. Gonna need it anyway with 120,000,000 more police and other officials. Plus it will probably cost 100 billion to have all the new regulations written, perhaps as few as 200,000 of them.

The final solution. ( where have I read those words before ? )

T

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Too, the overwhelming majority of people who own guns do know gun safety. That's why the rate of gun accidents is so low considering the number of guns in private hands in this country.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It is My personal opinion that the parents of the kid should be placing blame exactly where it belongs.  The 'kid' is 19 years old, which means he is an adult, and fully responsible for his own actions.  Even if there were outside influences encouraging him to break into a home (somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned it *may* have been a gang initiation) there wasn't a soul in that room but him and Orion when he was told to show his hands.  It would have been easy enough for him to do that. 

Do I think those parents are grieving that their son has been wounded?  Yes, I do.  At the same time, as a parent Myself, I always taught Mine that they were responsible for their own actions, and those actions certainly can have cause and effect.

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I love polyglots :-) .

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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1) Need to buy a shotgun so I do not have to worry about interior wall penetration

You could always use glaser safety slugs, but... ummm... I don't think the raccoon would have fared too well if you had.

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Unh, those are griffes...

Now You're doing it! What the hells' a griffe?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Children getting killed by careless gun ownership is completely preventable.

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Hey guess what...you’re full of crap...again... this situation happened to me exactly.

I grabbed my wife…went to my children’s room…with my twenty gauge and called the police.

Granted I have a two story...they were down stairs and I was up stairs. I yelled the police were on the way through the door… Guess what they did…ran.

I lost a laptop but no one was killed.

Hey gues what. The only one I see full of shit is you.

You didn't go through anything like what Orion did, by your own admission.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Too, the overwhelming majority of people who own guns do know gun safety. That's why the rate of gun accidents is so low considering the number of guns in private hands in this country.

The anti-gun lobby has always been about histrionics. If they debate the topic logically they have no debate. The facts are irrelevant to them.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I am going to put this here as it will wind up political....

So to all the gun ban proponents out there, fuck you.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Hey guess what...you’re full of crap...again... this situation happened to me exactly.

I grabbed my wife…went to my children’s room…with my twenty gauge and called the police.

Granted I have a two story...they were down stairs and I was up stairs. I yelled the police were on the way through the door… Guess what they did…ran.

I lost a laptop but no one was killed.

Hey gues what. The only one I see full of shit is you.

You didn't go through anything like what Orion did, by your own admission.

Debating his attitude towards the OP and his attitude in general is one thing, but (presuming both stories are true) it's one heck of a cheap shot to demean his encounter with similar danger because he acted defensively rather than aggressively.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It is My personal opinion that the parents of the kid should be placing blame exactly where it belongs.  The 'kid' is 19 years old, which means he is an adult, and fully responsible for his own actions.  Even if there were outside influences encouraging him to break into a home (somewhere in this thread, someone mentioned it *may* have been a gang initiation) there wasn't a soul in that room but him and Orion when he was told to show his hands.  It would have been easy enough for him to do that. 

Do I think those parents are grieving that their son has been wounded?  Yes, I do.  At the same time, as a parent Myself, I always taught Mine that they were responsible for their own actions, and those actions certainly can have cause and effect.

I do agree with some of what you say except the parents are often not to blame. They do thier best...just as good as you ...and still their child became a murder or burglar....why… who knows there is just something in the child different from most. But it is hard for a parent not to feel it is their fault, even though it is not, and they still feel love and loss.

Butch

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So tell me again, how is there no implied connection or an implied defense of the actions that resulted in this child's death?

No, thanks. This is clearly a job for a professional.

K.

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There is no logical debate with pro-gun wack jobs...it has never been possible no matter the body count !

Oh please, stop waving your hankie around. The value of human life is not what motivates you. Human beings die in much greater numbers from other causes that cry out to be addressed. No argument motivated by a genuine concern for human life would ignore the elephants in the room in order to go after a gnat, or dismiss even mentioning more serious concerns as an "asinine" objection to a focus on guns.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Too, the overwhelming majority of people who own guns do know gun safety. That's why the rate of gun accidents is so low considering the number of guns in private hands in this country.

The anti-gun lobby has always been about histrionics. If they debate the topic logically they have no debate. The facts are irrelevant to them.

There is no logical debate with pro-gun wack jobs...it has never been possible no matter the body count !