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Termyn8or -> Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/8/2009 8:41:07 PM)

OK, some may say I am a victim of credit. I have alot of debt, maybe 40K. This is due to trips to FL, buyng cars and paying the associated fines (I mean that literally), a few investments which have yet to pay off (well some of the stuff I was going to resell I decided to keep) and a few other things piled up. However I am able to make the payments, usually a few dollars over the minimum.

This is even though they seem to want to amortize in like 6-7 years. I'm not sure because I have had them so long, but I think there was a checkbox on some of the applications that said "Check here if you would like to accelerate your payment schedule to pay the balance faster", something to that effect. I may have checked the box.

I do seem to have enjoyed some very good rates over the years. I had one that was 6.9% for life. Untfortunately that meant the life of the bank. They got bought out and I read the new agreement. I considered opting out but their offer wasn't bad so I went for it.

At any rate (no pun intended this time) as of last month I had credit cards :

A $27,000, 8.65%, $470/month

B ~15,000, 17%, $220/month

C~2,400, >17%, $60/month

Now B got to that rate because literally it was a mail problem. I called and the guy said that he believes me but the terms are the terms, and if the account remains in good standing for six months they will lower the rate. That was the first time I've been late on anything in over fifteen years. But the rules are the rules. OK, the six months will come soon and I'll have a talk with them.

Now those figures don't include the piddly ones, but one of them was D. The limit on D is $22,000 and they just sent magic checks at 3.9% for a ½ a year. Now A, as of next year is going up to 12.9% "because of market conditions". Which means they need money of course. But the checks don't go up in January, they are for a full year. So I moved $21,000 of debt over to D from A at 2.9% for a year. That puts almost $200 a month in my pocket which can be used to pay the balance down a bit, or at least avoid increasing it.

But then we have C and A. C is really not a big thing, but it is a pain in the ass every month, and remember, no matter the balance the credit report is the credit report. They don't care why. So, now that I can get A to give 2.9% for a year I have two options. One is to eliminate C altogether and put the $60/month in my pocket, or to use the buying power of that card which has just been paid down by $21,000 to buy down B, which is now at the default rate.

But now what if I did both ? Paying down B does not put a proportional amount in my pocket in comparison to paying off C. But C is a drop in the bucket, so do them first and use whatever is left to buy down B might be the best way to go.

Understand that I usually never "shop", and only certain times I do it on credit. So the more money in my pocket will reduce the number of times I check my wallet and come up two friggin dollars for something and wind up using the card. Of course the cash will piss away. I never said I was superhuman. I'll probably take the family to dinner in a snazzy place, I don't do that much anymore at all because of this non-smoking shit. But I suppose I could put up with it for a time.

So now, if I use the 2.9% now I can chop B in half, puttin about $100/month in my pocket. Along with eliminating C. and the about $200/month I save now, this is substantial.

Both of these payments are coming due. C is due on the 19th and B on the 22nd. I have some time. And where Christmas comes in ? When you transfer money that way it counts as a payment. I don't do Christmas, but when it comes to giving gifts, I do. But we do it after Christmas. Get some deals. If not wait.

So my bill structure changes next month, but I save money every month for a year. At the end of next year the gravy train ends, I know that, but I think that was going to happen anyway in light of the increases many are probably seeing these days. "Market conditions" and such.

Now the only problem is to see if I actually have TWO checks for 2.9% for a year. I am pretty sure I do. Some of them might expire, but there's always the phone.

If I can make this move, or these moves, now is the time. Whether the checks expire or not, the time frame is until November next year so I am losing months of saving interest. But see I do believe that I could maybe eliminate B completely with the offer from A. Possibly that would be more to my advantage.

And no, I am not a victim of credit. I signed for that money and with any luck will pay it off. I can justify screwing the banks, saying that it is returning the favor, but that doesn't really wash. It took decades to build decent credit, I don't want to tear it down too hastily. 

But then there is one looming factor as well. Sometime next year I will need a couple grand worth of eye surgery.

At least now you know why I'm crazy.

T





pahunkboy -> RE: Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/8/2009 9:12:54 PM)

Term,  I think you... better slow down.

Balance transfers are a thing of the past.  Some big changes are coming in 2010.  One bank cant keep the commitment to you- and now you might be lured into another bank which 50-50 chances that it also can not keep its commitment.

1/2 of the nations 8200 banks are insolvent.

The FDIC is going to be disbanded in 2010.

I would say- use up the remaining credit available- to a good strategic investment.

Most of all- any un-used credit is NOT a sure thing!   




Termyn8or -> RE: Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/8/2009 10:27:22 PM)

Understood, I always look a gift horse in the mouth. There is a reason I think they want to pander to me a bit. I think they know that I am uncollectable, they are not supposed to know this but I think they do. The second part of it is that these lines of credit have been in good standing for so long, especially now, that they are looking at someone who actually thinks of future credit. And finally they have been notified via court of the passing of the olman. He was on all but one of mine. But we kept it separate, we each used our own and we each paid our own.

Now it has been long enough they see that the bill is still getting paid. Since no new credit has been applied for, they think I have been at the same job for 14 years. While I have been employed fairly steadily, I have not been at the same place, but I don't job hop either, in February I'll have five years in where I am currently. I say let them think 14.

Anyway, the people who generated the formula(e) to calculate one's credit score are the equivalent to actuaries at an insurance company. I think things changed a bit in light of the obvious developments. They respond to market changes just like an actuary can, which could cost or save you money, depending on exactly what the change is.

So you say to use up the credit. I agree, but when ? There is an optimum time between my personal crash and that of the big crash. Nobody can say how long that will be. Technically I do know when - it will be when the quick fixes no longer work. But I will not pretend to portend the exact date, and really am not even ready to take a stab at a specific year. Too many variables.

Like I said, now you know why I'm crazy. Maybe I'm just ODing on the math though........

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/9/2009 9:16:29 AM)

1 to 2 years is the general time frame.  A 2nd stimulus might buy some time.

Of course use it for investments- not throw away junk.  (when you do use it, but then you knew that)

As to what the cc industry is doing, google is your friend.  Message boards- and comments on articles.

The key on the 2.9% is do you have to front the money.   If so- I would not.  If it is seemless in merely moving the balance then it could be worth it.  The fine print is a place to read there.

Chapman said- the fed is going to attempt to take 1.5 tril out of the system in 2010.  He thinks it will fail and we will see hyper inflation.    My brothers boss thinks we have 2 years... the guy is worth alot of money.  And 2 years was the thought of a handful of experts.

I presume you read the fine print.

My brother is fit to be tied... a bank is charging him $20 a month for not having enough money in his account.   Even tho 13k is in it.

Chicago banks are in very bad shape. 

The ccs fees have been creeping.   2.9.  gosh- many up jacked up to 29.9%.

It is worth a google,re- read the fine print --  even the 17% is not too bad if you bought shrewd investments with them- when you consider most are being cut and jacked up.

As to precisely when,  only you can decide that.   Because we been hearing "collapse" for 2 years now and many 'yawn over it as it seems like a non-event.




servantforuse -> RE: Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/9/2009 11:44:40 AM)

The FDIC will not be disbanded in 2010. Now to the OP. What happens when those rates start to get a lot higher ? 25% to 29% will be closer to what you are paying now. Some banks are there already...




pahunkboy -> RE: Not for Christmas - shopping - credit (12/9/2009 1:51:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The FDIC will not be disbanded in 2010. Now to the OP. What happens when those rates start to get a lot higher ? 25% to 29% will be closer to what you are paying now. Some banks are there already...


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16313    here we go.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16313




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