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Moonhead -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 11:57:54 AM)

They didn't have any problem with that sort of crap under Reagan or Bush's dad (or Clinton, come to that) why should they start under the chimp?




tazzygirl -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 12:00:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL

Someone define "terrorist attack". Im curious as to the definition so many are working with.

So am i, given that it doesn't seem to include anything between a couple of ugly buildings in New York getting knocked and Fort Hood. Not sure how that one works.


Is this?

7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.

is this?

6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.

is this?

7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.

Or this?

2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

I mean, honestly, does it have to be a number over 10 or what? What makes the dividing line between a killing and a terrorist killing?




mastrcmmdr -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 12:21:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

LOL

Someone define "terrorist attack". Im curious as to the definition so many are working with.

So am i, given that it doesn't seem to include anything between a couple of ugly buildings in New York getting knocked and Fort Hood. Not sure how that one works.


Is this?

7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.

is this?

6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.

is this?

7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.

Or this?

2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

I mean, honestly, does it have to be a number over 10 or what? What makes the dividing line between a killing and a terrorist killing?


Yes, Virginia, there is a difference (imo) between a "terrorist attack" and a "terrorist killing", but it has nothing to do with numbers of victims, rather the number of perpetrators/conspirators. If it is a lone perp with no discernible ties to organizations or individuals that promote terrorism it is a terrorist killing. Someone acting alone is nearly if not totally impossible to detect and prevent. If there are discernible ties to those organizations/individuals from which he receives aid and or comfort, that is a "terrorist attack" and has a far better chance of being prevented, thanks to valuable tools like the Patriot Act.




Moonhead -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 12:23:20 PM)

There being a Democrat in the white house, as far as I can tell.




eyesopened -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 1:02:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

They didn't have any problem with that sort of crap under Reagan or Bush's dad (or Clinton, come to that) why should they start under the chimp?


"The chimp"???  Really??  This is the best response to a legitmate concern over the use of public money?  Really??  The Chimp? 

Okay, if this is the most intelligent response, I fully understand why no one really gives two farts in the wind about how our money is spent.

Carry on.




starshineowned -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 9:12:44 PM)

I was just thrilled with the spelling correction on my behalf.

Life is good now.

starshine




EbonyWood -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 9:28:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

There were plenty of independents and shortsighted Republicans


You don't need to state they are shortsighted. We know that already.




tazzygirl -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 9:35:49 PM)

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Yes, Virginia, there is a difference (imo) between a "terrorist attack" and a "terrorist killing", but it has nothing to do with numbers of victims, rather the number of perpetrators/conspirators. If it is a lone perp with no discernible ties to organizations or individuals that promote terrorism it is a terrorist killing. Someone acting alone is nearly if not totally impossible to detect and prevent. If there are discernible ties to those organizations/individuals from which he receives aid and or comfort, that is a "terrorist attack" and has a far better chance of being prevented, thanks to valuable tools like the Patriot Act.


So, if it requires more than one perp, then these count....

9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.

9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.

10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.

10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.

10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.

10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.

10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.

Born as John Allen Williams in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Muhammad enlisted in the Louisiana Army National Guard in 1978 and, after seven years of service, volunteered for active duty in 1985. In 1987 he joined the Nation of Islam.[6] While in the Army, Muhammad was trained as a mechanic, truck driver and specialist metalworker. He qualified with the Army's standard infantry rifle the M16, earning the Expert Rifleman's Badge. This rating is the Army's highest of three levels of marksmanship for a basic soldier. He was discharged from military service following the Gulf War, as a sergeant, in 1994.[1]

As a member of the Nation of Islam, Muhammad helped provide security for the "Million Man March" in 1995, but Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has publicly distanced himself and his organization from Muhammad's crimes.[7] Muhammad moved out of the country and spent time with his children in Antigua around 1999, apparently engaging in credit card and immigration document fraud activities. It was during this time that he became close with Lee Boyd Malvo, who later acted as his partner in the killings. Williams changed his name to John Allen Muhammad in October 2001.

After his arrest, authorities also claimed that Muhammad admitted that he admired and modeled himself after Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and approved of the September 11 attacks. One of Malvo's psychiatric witnesses testified in his trial that Muhammad had indoctrinated him into believing that the proceeds of the extortion attempt would be used to begin a new nation of only young, "pure" black people somewhere in Canada. Muhammad witnessed the Mark Essex shootout live on television when he was 12.

Muhammad was twice divorced; his second wife, Mildred Muhammad, sought and was granted a restraining order. Muhammad was arrested on federal charges of violating the restraining order against him by possessing a weapon. Defense attorneys in the Malvo trial and the prosecution in Muhammad's trial argued that the ultimate goal of the killings was to kill Mildred so he would regain custody of his three children.[8]

......


On November 17, 2003, by verdict of his jury, Muhammad was convicted in Virginia of all four counts in the indictment against him: capital murder for the shooting of Dean H. Meyers; a second charge of capital murder under Virginia's antiterrorism statute, for homicide committed with an intent to terrorize the government or the public at large; conspiracy to commit murder; and the illegal use of a firearm. In the penalty phase of the trial, the jury after five hours of deliberation over two days unanimously recommended that Muhammad should be sentenced to death. On March 9, 2004, a Virginia judge agreed with the jury's recommendation and sentenced John Allen Muhammad to death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad

That pretty much disproves the idea that no terrorism attacks occured on US soil during the Bush administration after 9/11.




luckydawg -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/12/2009 11:34:31 PM)

Hm, so the guy who is part of the movement that Obamas church gives awards to, is a terrorist.

I am all for eliminating the Nation of Islam, glad to see the Liberals are on board. Almost everything on your list (which you would laugh at if it was offered as evidence by a rightwinger, and is basically a list of every crime in the Us commited by a muslim, where there is a death) is Nation of Islam.

Which is a racist black supremist group, having essentially nothing to do with actuall Islam, or a desire to create an Islamic state.

But it would be more presice to say no International Islamic Terrorist attacks




rulemylife -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/13/2009 2:17:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Who said this forum has any credibility? Its entertainment and an actual interchange of ideas, though thats hard to find sometimes amidst the intellectual dishonesty and trolls. A blog is nothing but a moron spewing his own poorly reasoned or totally baseless opinion and not giving a shit what other people think. I have never read one that actually had anything to say that was the least bit original or instructive.


I know of at least one poster that completely fits that description.






rikigrl -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/13/2009 2:52:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Who said this forum has any credibility? Its entertainment and an actual interchange of ideas, though thats hard to find sometimes amidst the intellectual dishonesty and trolls. A blog is nothing but a moron spewing his own poorly reasoned or totally baseless opinion and not giving a shit what other people think. I have never read one that actually had anything to say that was the least bit original or instructive.


I know of at least one poster that completely fits that description.




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MarsBonfire -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/13/2009 9:24:57 AM)

Bush did some great things? Well, I suppose so... (reminds me of the line from the first Harry Potter film, where Mr. Olivander is talking about "he who must not be named"... He did great things... TERRIBLE things... but great!) Let's see... some of Bush's "great" accomplishments:

1. Lied to us about Iraq trying to get yellowcake nuclear materials from Nigier, as justification for going to war with a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

2. Ignored all the intel that was on his desk about AQ wanting to use aircraft to strike tarkets in the US... concentrated on his golf swing instead.

3. Stood up in front of the UN, and told our allies "you're either with us, or against us." Also called the actions in the middle East a "Crusade." "Bring it on." and other irresponsible speechifyin' phrases that inflamed the situation.

4. "Mission Accomplished"

5. Gutted hebeas corpus from the Constitution.

6. Wiretapped everyone.

7. Turned the US into a torture state, despite evidence that the standard intel techniques were producing better results.

8. Allowed a US city to drown for two weeks before lifting a finger to help people in New Orleans.

9. Deregulated the financial and real estate industries to promote an "ownership society"... how'd THAT work out, I wonder?

10. Managed, despite being a wartime President, to spend 42% of his time in office on vacation. (I don't suppose it matters... Cheany and Rove were the ones REALLY running the US, in any case.)


Yeah, Bill Clinton's getting a blowjob from Monica was the worst possible thing the US could have suffered, eh?

Try going to youtube, an searching "100 Top Examples of Republican Evil" (Warning it takes a long time... it's in three parts.)




Lorr47 -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/13/2009 11:43:59 AM)

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But, minor semantic differences in this thread aside, and despite our disagreement in many areas, you're presence here as a thinking woman is a pleasant contrast to the majority of posts from women that have degenerated into trolling.


I think I may have lost my bet that Wilbeur is actually a woman; my x to be exact.




MzMia -> RE: 8 years Bush/2001-2009 – What did he do for our country? (12/13/2009 8:07:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Bush did some great things? Well, I suppose so... (reminds me of the line from the first Harry Potter film, where Mr. Olivander is talking about "he who must not be named"... He did great things... TERRIBLE things... but great!) Let's see... some of Bush's "great" accomplishments:

1. Lied to us about Iraq trying to get yellowcake nuclear materials from Nigier, as justification for going to war with a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

2. Ignored all the intel that was on his desk about AQ wanting to use aircraft to strike tarkets in the US... concentrated on his golf swing instead.

3. Stood up in front of the UN, and told our allies "you're either with us, or against us." Also called the actions in the middle East a "Crusade." "Bring it on." and other irresponsible speechifyin' phrases that inflamed the situation.

4. "Mission Accomplished"

5. Gutted hebeas corpus from the Constitution.

6. Wiretapped everyone.

7. Turned the US into a torture state, despite evidence that the standard intel techniques were producing better results.

8. Allowed a US city to drown for two weeks before lifting a finger to help people in New Orleans.

9. Deregulated the financial and real estate industries to promote an "ownership society"... how'd THAT work out, I wonder?

10. Managed, despite being a wartime President, to spend 42% of his time in office on vacation. (I don't suppose it matters... Cheany and Rove were the ones REALLY running the US, in any case.)


Yeah, Bill Clinton's getting a blowjob from Monica was the worst possible thing the US could have suffered, eh?

Try going to youtube, an searching "100 Top Examples of Republican Evil" (Warning it takes a long time... it's in three parts.)


Thank you Mars, for coming up with a concrete list of some of the things we need to thank George W. Bush, for.
Who can forget these accomplishments?
You forgot to thank ex-President Bush, for leaving our country in shambles after his 8 years in office.

 
If President Obama does 2 or 3 great things while he is in office, he will be a million times better and more effective than the last President, we allowed to sit in the White House for 8 years.




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