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vincentML -> RE: People ignore climate change science just like they ignore evolution and millions of years old bones (12/13/2009 8:42:20 AM)
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You can call me snarky and I can call you disingenuous. I didn't intend to be snarky but maybe I come across that way, I don't know.
Please don't act innocent. You know full well the intent of the headline you used for this thread. I watch Keith and Rachel on a regular basis. I agree with most of their positions, but not this one.
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In any case, you said you're not willing to admit CO2 is the problem (the evidence is overwhelming that it is) but if it is you don't see how we could reduce industrial activity with the growing population. And then you make a comment about throwing people off the island which I think reflects your indifference to the poor and helpless. I remember listening to Phil Crane, (congressman from Illinois Republican, I paid to listen to him) say something like that once. In a nutshell he said fuck the poor.
I find your rants amusing. I presented two cases that showed warming without preceding increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide: the Medieval Warming Period and the deglaciation measured in the Vostok ice cores. Instead of even acknowledging those issues you give us the broad generalization that the evidence is overwhelming. Perhaps it is not true in Economics which you studied but in the Scientific method when the theory doesn't fit the evidence the theory should be re-examined. In this case the scientific theory has become too politicized to be re-examined. I can only infer you have never even heard of the contradictions I mentioned as swept up in your certitude as you are.
No, I did not show indifference to the poor and defenseless when I said throw people off the island. You are the one who made that choice. I was referring to the alarmists and economists. If only you had asked to see my list. I've got a list right here. Also, like most extreme alarmists of whatever persuasion, you seem to have misplaced your sense of humor. Throwing people off the island was a joke. Sheesh, when you gotta explain em they ain't funny no more.
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Additionally, it appears to me you know enough global warming scientific jargon that you ought to know the evidence is overwhelming that global warming is real and the majority of scientists think so (90%). Wow, I can't believe you're invoking Thomas Malthus, famous for advocating decreasing the surplus population, wow. Like who fucking cares if Bangladesh drowns and millions of people die. That's what you're saying, huh?
There you go again, invoking the overwhelming evidence when it is only computer models and while they may show a recent correlation they cannot show cause and effect. Significant difference in Science. Very elusive in Economics. Oh, I agree Warming is real. It is the cause that is in dispute. Hard for you to understand that distinction I think.
Actually Malthus cared as did the Progressives who followed him. Can you deny the World population is increasing dramatically especially in the under age 25 category and that there is a continuing conflict over diminishing resources? Malthus believed social progress would encourage population growth which in turn would be checked by disease, famine, and widespread mortality. He did not advocate these checks but suggested they were built in. Isn't that what has happened? Technological progress has led to better living which has lead to enormous increase in world population which has in turn caused wars, poverty and disease and a concern for limiting resources.
Ironically, Charles Darwin was influenced by Malthusian thought in formulating his theory of Natural Selection.
Vincent
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