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SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/17/2009 8:22:19 PM)
What part went over my head, sanity? The part where you showed that you are a liar? Or the part where you showed that if it fits in with your agenda you'll believe anything and try to get others to believe it? How about the part where you asked me to discuss the issue and when I did you ignore it, showing yourself to be not only a liar but a hypocrite. Trust me....nothing went over my head. I understand you very, very well.

luckydawg -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/17/2009 8:23:55 PM)
SOT, in which line of the speech did Bush say we had won??? That it was "over"??? He clearly says that one phase was over, and our troops kicked ass, putting to lie all the crap the left was saying about 50,000 casualties and the Iraqis fighting us to the last woman and child.

Sanity -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/17/2009 8:24:00 PM)
The part where I suggested you drop all your ugly attacks and begin discussing ideas, Spinner. quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales What part went over my head, sanity? The part where you showed that you are a liar? Or the part where you showed that if it fits in with your agenda you'll believe anything and try to get others to believe it? Trust me....nothing went over my head. I understand you very, very well.

Sanity -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/17/2009 8:35:01 PM)
I didn't mean for you to take the Nazi reference literally, by the way. It was in reference to a thread you began a long time ago lamenting the kind of behavior that I am pointing out in these posts of yours. This thread: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2781999 Remember it?

rulemylife -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/17/2009 11:40:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg SOT, in which line of the speech did Bush say we had won??? That it was "over"??? I'm pretty sure I just posted this somewhere. If only I could remember where. In case you are a little confused prevail is a synonym for won. Text Of Bush Speech - CBS News AP) Remarks by President Bush announcing the end of major combat operations in Iraq Thursday evening from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln: Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

luckydawg -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 1:25:33 AM)
And Major Combat Operations were over, and we prevailed. He was speaking on the Carrier of a battle group bringing home thousands of Marines and Airmen and Sailors, as it was a day away or so away from California "and now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." Phase 2/ Occupation, not major combat, had begun...Why do you want to pretend Bush didn't say it?, you posted it. He doesn't say Iraq/war on terror/anything is over, he says we are "engaed in...." You posted it.

rulemylife -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 3:11:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg And Major Combat Operations were over, and we prevailed. He was speaking on the Carrier of a battle group bringing home thousands of Marines and Airmen and Sailors, as it was a day away or so away from California "and now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." Phase 2/ Occupation, not major combat, had begun...Why do you want to pretend Bush didn't say it?, you posted it. He doesn't say Iraq/war on terror/anything is over, he says we are "engaed in...." You posted it. Yes I did, and apparently you did not read it or unable to comprehend it. Let me help. "And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." Securing and reconstructing does not mean the continuation of military engagement. Though it apparently did because despite Cheney's and Rumsfeld's declarations that this would be a short-lived war and we would be greeted as "liberators" we are still bogged down and spending billions on the war Dubya told us was over in 2003.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 4:12:33 AM)
quote: I didn't mean for you to take the Nazi reference literally, by the way. It was in reference to a thread you began a long time ago lamenting the kind of behavior that I am pointing out in these posts of yours. This thread: ORIGINAL: Sanity Mentioning that Rupert Murdoch has a proven history in his publications of promoting a rabid anti-Obama agenda is hardly name calling. Being able to read the NY Post, where anti-Obama and anti-democrat editorials run on page two, it seems a rather clear statement of policy from the gentleman. Your claim that you can't tell the difference between the criticism of someone's journalistic policies and calling someone a nazi casts doubt either on your honesty or your intelligence. Which would you prefer? Oh..and you still have not addressed the point I made on why the editorial in question is working under a false assumption, so, while your honesty and intelligence is in question, your hypocrisy seems to remain unchallenged. Don't throw out nasty little lies and then try to backpeadle, sanity. It just makes you look worse.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 4:16:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg And Major Combat Operations were over, and we prevailed. He was speaking on the Carrier of a battle group bringing home thousands of Marines and Airmen and Sailors, as it was a day away or so away from California "and now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." Phase 2/ Occupation, not major combat, had begun...Why do you want to pretend Bush didn't say it?, you posted it. He doesn't say Iraq/war on terror/anything is over, he says we are "engaed in...." You posted it. Up until now, there has been no secret of what Bush's "Mission Accomplished" statement meant. It has always been taken as meaning "We won the war". Can you explain why neither Bush or any member of his administration didn't step forward at the time to clarify this misunderstanding? The simplest answer is that there was no misunderstanding, that he was saying just what it was thought he was saying. This new interpretation is an attempt to rewrite history, nothing more.

Moonhead -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 4:30:30 AM)
Really, the mission isn't accomplished until there's an oil pipeline coming out of Iraq, and that hasn't happened yet, has it?

Moonhead -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 4:34:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales Don't throw out nasty little lies and then try to backpeadle, sanity. It just makes you look worse. It always puzzles me that people think they can make that work on a messageboard where people can check what they've said in the first place. I suppose at home if they say "I never said that, shut up!" everybody forgets that they said that and shuts up. Doesn't work like that when there's a record of what people have said, though.

luckydawg -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 9:41:23 AM)
Actually Spinner, that is what they have always maintained. That Bush said what he said in his speech. Unless you watched Fox, I guess you never heard it. Similar to the way people who use the Mainstream Media think Palin siad she could "see russia from her house". What you are defending is the left wing Spin of What Bush said. The text of the speech is already posted here, so I will let the Trolls pretend they haven't read it.....

SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 10:04:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Actually Spinner, that is what they have always maintained. That Bush said what he said in his speech. Unless you watched Fox, I guess you never heard it. Similar to the way people who use the Mainstream Media think Palin siad she could "see russia from her house". What you are defending is the left wing Spin of What Bush said. The text of the speech is already posted here, so I will let the Trolls pretend they haven't read it..... I have heard the speech. I've read the text. I still think it's rewriting history to claim that Bush was talking anything other than "We won the war" when he said "Mission accomplished". If others don't want to, that is their right as well. However, to paint the picture as the Bush administration telling the truth in just about any phase of this ill concieved and ill executed war and those opposed to it being the liars takes a whole lot of creative thinking.

mnottertail -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 10:28:10 AM)
To the Bush administration apologists: well all well and fine but the USS Abraham Lincoln has been to the Gulf several times since the mission accomplished speech, and many of the crewmen then have by the dint of this found out that for them, the mission was not accomplished, under this lurid line of reasoning, so anyway you want to cut it, comes to the same thing......... Try to get a clue guys, that is more unintended consequences of trying to rewrite history, you just get dumber and dumber. Ron I look forward to the laughs watching you squirm and worm around this basic fact.

luckydawg -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 10:40:29 AM)
"Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike. The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory. Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight. After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war — after 100,000 miles, on the longest carrier deployment in recent history — you are homeward bound. Some of you will see new family members for the first time — 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you." How you can pretend Bush said the war is over is way beyond me....But I will let the trolls have thier little frenzy RML, Absolutly securing something with the army is not a millitary operation , you got it. Not gonna argue, it SOT, there ya go with the fake quotes again, but whatever, Bush said what you want to pretend he said, not what he actually said...Fine Spin involves posting the actuall speech, Spin is not making up fake quotes to pretend Bush said something else. Its the main way several folks debate here in the boards also, so I shouldn't be surprised. We can pretend that We havent kept a carrier in the Gulf region non stop for decades, I am not going to argue with a troll, who draws a conclusion over the fact that we rotate carriers in and out of the gulf region, and have for decades. He said Mission accomplished in a different speech, aperantly some of the trolls don't even get that, while pretending they read the text. Micheal Moore (and dozens of wacko Utube sites) spliced it together, and they can't tell the difference. Bush Derangement Syndrome, is real. I find it hilarious that the trolls have to go through all this to be able to slam Bush.... But I pasted the facts, for anyone to read, and compare with the trollish nonsense.

mnottertail -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 10:49:44 AM)
There isnt ONE fact that is germane to this conversation in that whole pathetic line of shit. My name is known, I cite quite often, real people who are known to be real people have met me, I actually have some knowledge of what I am posting, I dont sockpuppet several profiles.......theres more, but enough for now...... Why do you lie and pretend you are not a troll, Uck? Come on out of the closet. Ron

SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 12:16:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg "Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike. The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory. Other nations in history have fought in foreign lands and remained to occupy and exploit. Americans, following a battle, want nothing more than to return home. And that is your direction tonight. After service in the Afghan and Iraqi theaters of war — after 100,000 miles, on the longest carrier deployment in recent history — you are homeward bound. Some of you will see new family members for the first time — 150 babies were born while their fathers were on the Lincoln. Your families are proud of you, and your nation will welcome you." How you can pretend Bush said the war is over is way beyond me....But I will let the trolls have thier little frenzy RML, Absolutly securing something with the army is not a millitary operation , you got it. Not gonna argue, it SOT, there ya go with the fake quotes again, but whatever, Bush said what you want to pretend he said, not what he actually said...Fine Spin involves posting the actuall speech, Spin is not making up fake quotes to pretend Bush said something else. Its the main way several folks debate here in the boards also, so I shouldn't be surprised. We can pretend that We havent kept a carrier in the Gulf region non stop for decades, I am not going to argue with a troll, who draws a conclusion over the fact that we rotate carriers in and out of the gulf region, and have for decades. He said Mission accomplished in a different speech, aperantly some of the trolls don't even get that, while pretending they read the text. Micheal Moore (and dozens of wacko Utube sites) spliced it together, and they can't tell the difference. Bush Derangement Syndrome, is real. I find it hilarious that the trolls have to go through all this to be able to slam Bush.... But I pasted the facts, for anyone to read, and compare with the trollish nonsense. Sorry, Dawg, I was referring to him speaking of the war in Iraq (which is a real thing) and the "War on Terror) which is by it's definition a slogan that means nothing. When he said Mission Accomplished, he was speaking of the war in Iraq. It was a lie. You can shout "troll" all you want to but it's not going to change the facts.

Politesub53 -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 1:24:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg So you are talking about 2 speeches...... The misson was absolutly accomplished. Saddam's and the Taliban's governments were removed by the Coalition Troops. Major Combat was over, and the Occupation was beginig. The speech was an "attaboy" to the troops What is your issue with it. If yourefuse to say, we got nothing else to say. I haven't seen you make a clear argument, in this thread, much less give proof to it. What was the problem with Bush's speech that day? I posted proof, if you decided not to comprehend it, thats hardly my problem.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: The newest Spin on "Mission Accomplished" (12/18/2009 1:40:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg And Major Combat Operations were over, and we prevailed. He was speaking on the Carrier of a battle group bringing home thousands of Marines and Airmen and Sailors, as it was a day away or so away from California Considering how many American troops died or were injured before the "Mission Accomplished" comment and after it, it would seem that, while major combat operations were over for us, they weren't over for those fighting us. Perhaps they didn't watch Fox news and hear the speech.

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