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rulemylife -> Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 6:31:11 AM)

Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world


By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer Jay Lindsay, Associated Press Writer – Sat Dec 19, 12:28 am ET BOSTON


A toss left, a quick break past the defense, and it was obvious Philadelphia Eagles running back Herb Lusk was headed to the end zone. The real surprise came when he arrived 70 yards later. Lusk dropped to a knee in the NFL's first public end zone prayer.

High-profile expressions of faith by athletes have become routine in pro sports since Lusk's October 1977 run. A new book by religion writer Tom Krattenmaker explores how it happened, and asks whether it's a good thing.

"Some love it, some really resent it. The comedians have a field day with it," said Krattenmaker, author of "Onward Christian Athletes."

From the numerous Lusk copycats, to prayer circles at the 50-yard line, to jubilant players praising God in postgame interviews, an often conservative voice of the Christian faith is now commonplace in American professional sports. That reflects decades of influence by evangelical Christian groups in locker rooms and a belief among some Christian athletes that their visibility is a gift they should use to proclaim their faith.

Krattenmaker says the problem is that they're reaching a sporting public with increasingly pluralistic religious convictions, or no religion at all. "There are many secular fans who really feel annoyed by that kind of religious expression," he said in an interview. "Even people who are religious themselves often resent this situation where athletes talk about God in this big moment of victory, sometimes seeming to imply God gave them the victory."

But Tennessee Titans All-Pro center Kevin Mawae said his Christianity is part of who he is, and he can't separate it from his life as an athlete or anywhere else. "The fact that some people are jaded toward religion or faith shouldn't stop a player from expressing his faith in public," Mawae said.

There's no intent to alienate people, only to share Biblical truth, said Vince Nauss, president of Baseball Chapel, which provides chaplains to every major league baseball team. "If there's an exclusivity, it's because Jesus put it out there," Nauss said. "So I don't think there's anything to apologize for, or to dance around in a politically correct environment.

.....Retired NBA guard and 1993 Heisman Trophy winner Charlie Ward, an outspoken Christian, said when athletes publicly talk about Christianity, it's often just a reflection of the joy of the faith.

.....Both Mawae and Ward have seen their character publicly questioned. Mawae is often named one of the NFL's dirtiest players in player polls — something he has attributed to playing hard until "the echo of the whistle." In the 1997 NBA playoffs, Ward was suspended after being part of an ugly brawl with the Miami Heat. In 2001, he apologized after saying Jews were "stubborn" because they didn't accept Christ and had "blood on their hands."









DarkSteven -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 8:03:34 AM)

I don't know what to say.  Joe Montana was widely known as a Mormon, and Reggie White was nicknamed The Minister of Defense for his religious views, but I was unaware that Christianity had invaded the sports field.

Stating that a group provides "chaplains" is not terribly detailed.  The Air Force provides chaplains as well, and some are Jewish, so the term is not confined to a specific religion.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 10:14:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I don't know what to say.  Joe Montana was widely known as a Mormon, and Reggie White was nicknamed The Minister of Defense for his religious views, but I was unaware that Christianity had invaded the sports field.

Stating that a group provides "chaplains" is not terribly detailed.  The Air Force provides chaplains as well, and some are Jewish, so the term is not confined to a specific religion.



I have always thought it pretty funny that sports teams pray for victory before a game. I always think of God up in heaven, hearing the prayers and saying "Verily, thy prayers have pleased me. The prayers of thy foes shall go unheard. Yet you have sinned in my sight and invoked my wrath. Therefore, thou shalt be victorious. Ye shall not, though, cover the point spread."






vincentML -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 11:43:20 AM)

god would go nuts with everybody always asking for petty crap. How important is a damn football game? Only to the bettors and the contracted players. But whole cities become frenzied by "our team." Hoorah and thank you, Jesus.

An interesting topic, though. The book so far has only two reviews on Amazon, one very positive and one very negative, the latter accusing the author of narrow bias.




rulemylife -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 12:30:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I don't know what to say.  Joe Montana was widely known as a Mormon, and Reggie White was nicknamed The Minister of Defense for his religious views, but I was unaware that Christianity had invaded the sports field.


Do you watch much sports?

This is an issue that has annoyed me for a long time.

I don't care if somehow has deep religious beliefs but I do care when it is thrown in my face.  Especially when I am paying a great deal of money to attend games and pay their salaries.

I'm tired of watching players point to the sky every time they score a touchdown, hit a home run, or strike someone out.

I follow sports for entertainment, not to be proselytized.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 12:53:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I don't know what to say.  Joe Montana was widely known as a Mormon, and Reggie White was nicknamed The Minister of Defense for his religious views, but I was unaware that Christianity had invaded the sports field.


Do you watch much sports?

This is an issue that has annoyed me for a long time.

I don't care if somehow has deep religious beliefs but I do care when it is thrown in my face.  Especially when I am paying a great deal of money to attend games and pay their salaries.

I'm tired of watching players point to the sky every time they score a touchdown, hit a home run, or strike someone out.

I follow sports for entertainment, not to be proselytized.



Its has nothing to do with proselytizing for the vast majority of athletes. Thats the idiots in the stands wearing rainbow wigs carrying signs of biblical cites.

If youve ever coached or played serious competitve sports, athletes have routines and superstitions that help them focus and psych up. Using religion is no different than wearing the same underwear they wore the last time they won. If those players wore their fruit of the looms on the outside of their uniform, you might have a point.




rulemylife -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 3:35:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Its has nothing to do with proselytizing for the vast majority of athletes. Thats the idiots in the stands wearing rainbow wigs carrying signs of biblical cites.

If youve ever coached or played serious competitve sports, athletes have routines and superstitions that help them focus and psych up. Using religion is no different than wearing the same underwear they wore the last time they won. If those players wore their fruit of the looms on the outside of their uniform, you might have a point.



Curt Schilling - Shut the Hell up about the Lord Already


We know, we know! It's not just you that feels this misguided calling. Players thank the Lord all the time and some of them can get away with it before everyone dives for the mute button but not the ones that want people to listen to them when they speak on other subjects.


Not the ones that want to go on to other careers in the public eye or be taken seriously for what they say off the field. The kind of players that feel the need to tell us that games were decided by divine intervention all end up in the same place, pushed to the side and trivialized when the Lord stops blessing them for, after all, if it really is the supreme being deciding balls and strikes and winners and losers, then what do we need the players for?


Furthermore this God's hands stuff undermines all the hard work you've done and all the time you committed to studying your craft before you were a believer.


And where, by the way, was the Good Lord when Ty Cobb was tearing into everyone in sight or Pete Rose was bowling over another catcher in an out of reach contest because he had a bet on the over/under?


Where was He for Godsakes when the biggest collection of heathens and jack offs the game has ever seen congregate in one clubhouse, the 1986 New York Mets, were able to roll a ball through a God fearing good guy like Bill Buckner's legs?


If it's not Curt Schilling but rather the Good Lord Above, taking the mound out there on Curt Schilling's behalf then what happens when He finds a better Christian to embody next year who happens to be a Yankee?




Brain -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 4:25:35 PM)

I used to be very religious and I have played a lot of sports because I really enjoy sports and I'm looking forward to the hockey game tonight and football games tomorrow.

I understand when something is very important to you and your religious, how praying can help a person get motivated to win and to play harder, by harder I mean with more effort. Having said all that, watching games now, it doesn't bother me if they take 30 seconds to celebrate a touchdown doing something religious.

These days I'm an atheist but I really don't care what they do on the football field as long as I'm enjoying the game. It really doesn't bother me seeing somebody celebrate a touchdown, I just see it as part of the game. Another thing is if I was playing sports right now I think I would be playing better because I wouldn't be thinking about God I will be concentrating more on the game and what I needed to do to win. I think the same applies to my life in general not to let religion distract me from my objectives or goals.




thornhappy -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 5:41:04 PM)

Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel (HBO) covered this 5 or so years ago.  NFL teams were overwhelmingly Christian (usually Evangelical/Fundamentalist), to the point that some teams did not allow Muslims to have prayers on site.  The Christians held prayer meetings, prayer studies, and had an official Christian chaplain on site, along with banners on the walls in the locker room and prayers before  meetings.




submittous -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 5:48:37 PM)

wilbur

Did you see Tim Tebow with biblical cites written on his face playing quarterback? Just like Scientologists recruit celebrities to enhance their growth as a religion there has been an evangelical push to recruit and exploit athletes... I find both actions irritating.




thornhappy -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/19/2009 6:01:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I don't know what to say.  Joe Montana was widely known as a Mormon, and Reggie White was nicknamed The Minister of Defense for his religious views, but I was unaware that Christianity had invaded the sports field.

Stating that a group provides "chaplains" is not terribly detailed.  The Air Force provides chaplains as well, and some are Jewish, so the term is not confined to a specific religion.


you gots cmail.




rulemylife -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/20/2009 2:44:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I used to be very religious and I have played a lot of sports because I really enjoy sports and I'm looking forward to the hockey game tonight and football games tomorrow.

I understand when something is very important to you and your religious, how praying can help a person get motivated to win and to play harder, by harder I mean with more effort. Having said all that, watching games now, it doesn't bother me if they take 30 seconds to celebrate a touchdown doing something religious.

These days I'm an atheist but I really don't care what they do on the football field as long as I'm enjoying the game. It really doesn't bother me seeing somebody celebrate a touchdown, I just see it as part of the game. Another thing is if I was playing sports right now I think I would be playing better because I wouldn't be thinking about God I will be concentrating more on the game and what I needed to do to win. I think the same applies to my life in general not to let religion distract me from my objectives or goals.



It does bother me.

The same way the showboating and trash talking bothers me.

I'm not paying to see these "athletes" act like children.

If you want to call it professional sports then they need to act like professionals.

Lord knows (pun intended), they make enough money to try and pretend they have a real job.





rulemylife -> RE: Book explores evangelical monopoly in sports world (12/20/2009 2:51:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: submittous

wilbur

Did you see Tim Tebow with biblical cites written on his face playing quarterback? Just like Scientologists recruit celebrities to enhance their growth as a religion there has been an evangelical push to recruit and exploit athletes... I find both actions irritating.


And of course his little crying spell after they lost.

If losing a football game is the worst thing that you have ever experienced you can count yourself among the lucky few.




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