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AquaticSub -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/20/2009 3:40:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: persephonee

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

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ORIGINAL: osf

if a subbie submits and a slave submits, whats the difference?

The slave (in all likelihood) has surrendered a greater percentage of the available facets of hir life that are available for surrender.



Or, she just likes the bells and the harem pants.


I'm all about the bells and harem pants.

But I have a costume fetish.




elleX -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/20/2009 7:28:07 PM)

Greettings antipode
i was refering to mens profile that want a slave  from the beginning with all the * what she will have to exptect and do*
, is there so many women that put themsleves available as slave from the firts talk or time spend with a potentiel Dominant
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sweetsub1957 -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/20/2009 10:08:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

if a subbie submits and a slave submits, whats the difference?




I just see it as a continuum, with slave being toward the more extreme end of things.  Then again, I could be wrong............




Valyraen -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/20/2009 10:24:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

I"m wondering how you get to require Masters to do something....[8|]


Glad I'm not the only person who caught that... but any dom commenting on it first would probably just sound pissy.




Retfirefighter -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 6:19:48 AM)

Lets start this way.

Submissive  you have rights can say no stop I don't want to .

Slave NO rights just do as told no back talk or at times no talking at all.




osf -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 7:13:21 AM)

everyone has rights regardless of what they call themselves and whether they relinquish them to another, they can always be taken back

just a reality check




sunshinemiss -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 8:11:21 AM)

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everyone has rights regardless of what they call themselves and whether they relinquish them to another, they can always be taken back

just a reality check


Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner!




persephonee -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 8:57:31 AM)

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... is there so many women that put themsleves available as slave from the firts talk or time spend with a potentiel Dominant


And that is entirely on them ( the women)....i came into this whole concept (WIITWD), completely devoid of knowledge of how to negociate (physically and emotionally navigate) safely...within the confines of the norms of this specific community.....

Within 15 minutes of research, online and with realtime friends, i had heard the basic story line of the poor girl who gave too much too fast to a total stranger and paid the emotional price.....coming into this at the ripe old age of 38, i had to call bullshit on that then, as i continue to do today.

i was new to the community, but not new to life in general.

And, im not denying that there are not a preponderance of stories out there....im just sayin, thats on them.




ElectraGlide -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 9:05:22 AM)

I never figured out why there is 3 terms of Submissiveness. A Slave is to serve, a Submissive that does not want to serve is a Bottom to me. I am not knocking any Submissives, but when I see a profile from a Submissive and they state they don't do windows or dishes, I see a Bottom.




osf -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 9:51:43 AM)

i disregard the labels and try to find out what shes really into




leadership527 -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 5:02:55 PM)

In my opinion, not to be confused with anyone elses, I think that the word "slave" has no real meaning. EVERYONE seems to define it differently. I think that "slave" has gotten some sort of cachet now and so doms and subs alike are streaming to it.

Insofar as entering into a slave relationship from the beginning, Carol and I did that (well, if you discount 13 years of relationship before the collaring *laughs*). But honestly, even after 2 years now, it's more a statement of intent than an actuality. At the 2 year mark, I am beginning to see her as my property, not my wife in a consistent way. At the 2 year mark, she's beginning to think of herself the same way. That doesn't invalidate everything that went before. Life is a journey.

In a more vanilla sense, we are not any more married now than we were 13 years ago. It's just that now that marriage has a lot more color, richness and depth to it than it did then.




KnightofMists -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/21/2009 5:21:27 PM)

I don't know about their being many women that want to be a slave or submissive... but I know what I want within my intimate relationships at this stage in my life. When Kyra came into my life there was no doubt what kinda of relationship was appropriate for me. Kyra though was very new to it all and she had to learn alot of what was good for her. We never started out with intentions to live a M/s dynamic. In fact... she was rather unsure of everything. But she did have some inclinations to a degree. In the beginning Kyra was just an online contact and it grew from there. I never had intentions or expectations of where we are now... in fact.. I am still rather in awe of where we are at this point in our life.

With Alandra... we intuitively walk the path without really knowing all the labels that so many use today. Even back then... I know that I wanted what I called a traditional relationship and Alandra was very much of the same mindset. We didn't call it M/s or anything... the labels didn't matter then and well even with the knowledge of the labels now.... it still doesn't matter. We know what works for us in having a thriving and fullfilling relationship for both of us.

I would say ... that I have been Extremely lucky. Living this way with Alandra and Kyra is extremely easy. A good friend of mine said that In some ways... with Alandra I was extremely lucky but in some ways it wasn't so good. With Alandra it was extremely easy... but I never really understood why it was so easy. I didn't have the knowledge of why our relationship works so well until we ended up in a relationship with some what that dead opposite. When all you know is white... the concept of black is really hard to understand or even appreicate. Because of that experience.... it was much easier to understand what I needed for an appropriate partner for my relationship style as well as HOW I can help them in that relationship. When Kyra came into my life... I was very self-aware and as such.... I think it made it alot easier for Kyra than it otherwise would of been.




sunshinemiss -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/22/2009 9:41:30 AM)

Best definition to differentiate between submissive and slave that I have read:

If she's mine, she's a slave.  If she's yours, she's a submissive.

YMMV




relaxedlondon -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 1:48:06 AM)

There are probably as many definitions of the difference between submissive and slave as there are raindrops. It's about the relationship between dominant and submissive, that's all that matters. Too many people have read The Story of O or the Gor books and think that's what it means to be a slave. Well, it can be, but for most people that's simply impractical.

Most of us live in the real world where we have to strike a balance between D/s or M/s and the rest of life.




osf -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 7:00:51 AM)

a working definition i use is a slave is someone that becomes so needful and dependent on the person and relationship that they will do most anything to preserve it

using this definition it's not about the type of relationship, just the need of the one they're in, d/s or nilla




Rednekcol -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 7:10:07 AM)

I am completely aware that this is only my opinion, and is like different from many others.  I expect, however, that there are others that look at it this in a similar respect.

Let me begin by saying that that which I am looking for is probably what many people would call a Master/slave relationship.  TPE, 24/7, any of the other terms people use for it.  That said, I am usually much more attracted to those on this site that indicate themselves as submissives than as slaves, but I have seen profiles in both categories that appeal.

Why do I say I am looking for either one?  In reality, for the simple fact I just stated: I have seen people on here who label themselves both ways that I would be interested in getting to know, and potentially trying to form such a relationship with.  And so, when I search, I search for both; I only feel it is appropriate that others who might look at my profile see the same latitude.  I would hate for someone who would be perfect for me but calls herself a slave to look at my profile and find out I am only looking for submissives, and thus turn away.

I do understand what the OP means about a slave being willing to be a slave from the onset.  For me, that seems like an odd idea.  Not that I believe things have to move slowly; I have known submissives who have the remarkable ability to trust and give very quickly, who can accept a very nearly complete power exchange right from the start.  Does that make them a slave?  Perhaps, by some definitions at least.  I have also known those that take much longer to open up that far.  I don't feel that they are any less a slave than the others, but perhaps some would consider them not to be slaves until they reach a certain level of power transfer.

I seem to be digressing, but there is one more semi-relevant note I would like to make.  I commented that I find many more submissive profiles attractive than slave profiles.  I feel this is because there is a larger percentage of slave profiles that simply put out there that they are looking to be used, degraded, and hurt in any possible extreme way.  Not that I want to judge, but that isn't at all what I am looking for.  While humiliation play, pain, and the rest can be great fun in play, that isnt what I really want as the basis of a relationship.  Long before I connect with someone on that level, there would need to be an intellectual and emotional connection.  Often times, I find submissive profiles to indicate that this sort of connection would be possible, more often than the slave profiles.




osf -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 8:15:08 AM)

two movies i recommend

of human bondage, kinda maudlin

the remains of the day,, thought provoking




happylittlepet -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 9:05:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

a working definition i use is a slave is someone that becomes so needful and dependent on the person and relationship that they will do most anything to preserve it

using this definition it's not about the type of relationship, just the need of the one they're in, d/s or nilla


As I have read in other threads as well, if this is the goal of the dominant partner, what happens to the submissive when the dominant is no longer able to function?

Is it in the best interest of the submissive partner to become this needy and dependent? Is it even beneficial to enter a relationship like this in the first place?

Any partner in an intimate relationship who seems addicted to being in that relationship would do good to think about why this 'need' exists.

This is, to me, where a submissive is most vulnerable, and where it becomes easy to be taken advantage of. Especially when a submissive does not know/understand herself in this area.

If the need to preserve the relationship exceeds the healthy judgement of the submissive/slave, I am hesitant to speak of a consensual relationship.

Also, I question the motives of dominants who foster this kind of dependency. To me, vulnerablity like this attracts predators.




sexyred1 -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 9:25:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

to me the two are so open to interpretation as to have no difference in actual meaning

to say blonds were slaves and brunettes were subbies would give the words criteria

as it is there is no measurable criteria to tell the difference


if she obeys and makes an effort to pleas me, thats all i ask


Oy, osf....

Blondes are slaves and Brunettes are subs...so what are redheads?

If something is open to interpretation, then there is no actual meaning, get it? The definitions and labels that one places on themselves and their relationships are only defined by them and not others. Therefore it does not matter what the actual meaning is.

Unless you are taking an SAT or vocabulary test, then the standard definitions, ie. dictionary, etc. are relevant. But in defining relationships between people, I don't apply conventional definitions to anyone, including myself.




sexyred1 -> RE: opinion of Masters required please (12/24/2009 9:39:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

two movies i recommend

of human bondage, kinda maudlin

the remains of the day,, thought provoking


Both great films, but what bearing on this discussion do they have? They are both about the choices people make in their lives; there are no D/s overtones.

If you are recommending a film from that genre, that does have D/s overtones, The Blue Angel is interesting. However, I don't entirely agree that the humiliation experienced by the protagonist is entirely consensual.




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