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HermeticSurveyor -> Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 12:23:42 PM)

I almost always know what to do in a relationship, I’m very creative and pro-active about them because I love being in them but recently I encountered a problem that confused me and I’m not sure I did the right thing. I was dating a woman who is a sex worker, an erotic masseuse. We met on a kinky web site (alt.com) and she knew that I am a very sexual man that few women can keep up with. Everybody knows her to be an amazing woman, and not at all what you might think. She’s totally sane, sober, well adjusted, a woman who loves men and loves to give them pleasure but knows her boundaries. Each man gets a regular massage for half the session then the other half is devoted to bringing them to orgasm with her hands (only). There is some mutual touch and very occasionally she does a little of the “girlfriend experience” but only a little bit, just touches of it here and there for selected regular clients. She has incredible intuition about male psychology and men get real sexual healing from her and I always supported her in her work and was never jealous or felt threatened, because I trusted her completely. So after a few months of dating we fell in love, and I stopped dating other women because I was so infatuated and so in love with her.



But then after about a year of us being monogamous I felt that I wanted--on occasion—to be able to have some casual sex once in awhile. Since I have always been totally honest in my relationships (it is impossible for me to hide the contents of my heart from a women I am in love with) I told her I wanted a little freedom to play. As it was we only saw each other on the weekends and we both wanted to keep it that way. I only wanted to play on the weekdays so there would be no time taken from our wonderful, beautiful relationship. I was somewhat surprised when she said no. When I countered that she was “playing” all week with other men she disagreed and said it was “just business.” This seemed unreasonable and after weeks of long phone calls, emails and tears and anger I ended the relationship with a terrible amount of sadness and confusion. It just seemed so unfair to me. Or was it? I recognize that this whole thing is totally unaccebtable to most people, but I have always been different when it comes to love, I’m super passionate and full of energy for the women I love, I just never have found a woman that can be all things to me, fill all my needs, or even most of them, yet in my past relationships I have somehow been able to satisfy all their needs. Read my other post below on monogamy for more details.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 1:16:21 PM)

First of all, let me say this, she was not giving men any "real" sexual healing. She gave them an orgasm. She didn't resolve any sexual dysfunction. She is paid to get them off. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm simply saying you shouldn't try to turn it into something that it isn't. She isn't a therapist who talks about their issues and ways to over come them. She relaxes them with a massage and then jerks them off. She is a prostitute, plain and simple. Before you say anything, I do believe that prostitution should be legal, so I'm not faulting her for her career choice. I'm simply saying you (and perhaps she) have attempted to glorify what she does to something it is not.

As to your question though....you are both right. I can see where she is saying that what she is doing is all business, and you say she is "playing." Did you really look at it from her point of view? She doesn't go and choose who she is or is not going to "play" with. They are paying customers. There is no chase, no dating. It isn't even a booty call. These men do not get her off, it is completely one sided. She saved that part of herself (presumably) for you. What you wanted to do did involve choice. It is like saying that she isn't enough for you, that you can't control yourself or restrain yourself during the week waiting for the weekend when the two of you were going to be together. To do what you wanted to do, you would have to actively seek out someone that appealed to you, there would be some "chase" involved (unless you intended to use prostitutes yourself) and some investment of your time and energy to get someone to "play" with.

How long before that person you were "playing" with wanted to be more than just a "fuck" for you? Were you going to only play with each woman once, and then toss her aside for the next? Doubtful. You would find one (or more) girls that you would get together with and meet during the week. Unlikely that you would call them, they would come to your door naked, do the deed and leave. There would be intimate conversations, friendships developed. All those things would chip away at the relationship you had with her. Why is it different? Because the men you think she is "playing" with are clients. They pay for her time. Sure they may tell her intimate things about their lives, but she probably didn't reciprocate. Even when she was giving them the "girlfriend experience," she was playing a game. She was paid to play a role that appealled to them. In her mind it IS just business. Sure if one of her regular clients were to drop dead, she would feel sadness, but it is the kind of sadness that comes from hearing an aquaintence or business colleague died. You don't grieve as you do for people you love.

For as much as you thought you were open and understanding of her career choice, you really aren't. I'm not saying for one minute that you didn't truly love this woman, I'm sure you did. But somewhere in your head was the idea that because of what she did for a job, it would make you having casual sex excusable and acceptable. It didn't, what a shocker. From your point of view, she was "playing" all week. She saw multiple men and sexual gratification was the result of those meetings. This was going on all week, while you, being the dutiful boyfriend took matters into your own hands when necessary. In your mind, this was a bit unbalanced. After a year of "saving" yourself all week to be with her on the weekends, you wanted to be able to "do your thing" with others during the week and couldn't for the life of you understand why she was not agreeable. As you can see from what I wrote above, there are some pretty good reasons why she wouldn't like it.

I haven't read your post on monogamy. I may read it, I may not. The point here though is that just because you date and fall in love with a prostitute, the idea that she would be ok with you having sexual intimacy with others is not a given. For her, what she did is her job. For what you wanted, you would be giving a part of yourself to these "playmates" that you had and even if she had agreed, the chances are your relationship would have suffered for it.




Lucienne -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 2:02:49 PM)

Now that someone else has done the heavy lifting...

That shadow is bi-secting your penis!!!!

sorry. It's distracting.




antipode -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 2:13:31 PM)

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Read my other post below


Nah... I don't take people who want to be recognized by their cocks seriously.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 2:22:49 PM)

I agree to your ex lady..for her it is just business...a few years ago I did her line of work temporarily for a variety of reasons and was dating someone during that time...if he would have wanted a fling with someone he would have gotten the same answer as you got...when you think that she does her job just out of fun or to get off at it...then you are - at least that was my experience - wrong. It is business, not more and not less...get the guys going, get the cash and say goodbye...that is by far not the same like an erotic fling with someone who might turn you on...she actually very likely will have to put up with many men she finds neither attractive nor great to spend time with...is that great to do? It's not...but nevertheless it is her business, so she does it...doing that line of work to pay your bills can be fun at some times...but IMO most of the time its far from that [8|]




Mercnbeth -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 2:38:10 PM)

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...It just seemed so unfair to me. Or was it?...


this slave thinks it was unfair and unreasonable of YOU to characterize her job as "play"...after a year of characterizing it as "work"...just because you didn't want to be monogamous anymore and she wasn't good with that sort of change in your relationship.




DesFIP -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 4:50:24 PM)

She takes on people she would never agree to date, has their fluids all over her, and comes home feeling tired and dirty at night. She doesn't have any fun with them, no pleasure for her at all.

And you compare this to you spending time with people you choose to spend time with?

I've got an idea, how about you go work as a gay prostitute, getting off strange men who don't attract you. Then you'll see how much fun she's having and whether this is work or pleasure.




leadership527 -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 5:06:55 PM)

It is totally fair. From your story, nobody deceived anyone. Nobody cheated. Nobody was anything but up front and forthright. It's just your needs and hers did not line up. Fairness has nothing to do with it.




breatheasone -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 5:07:56 PM)

i 200% agree Beth! It sounds like he wanted some strange, she said no, and now all of a sudden he went from  how he described her in the 1st paragraph to how he describes her in the 2nd. Is she only great, and wonderful when you are getting your way?

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ORIGINAL: HermeticSurveyor

I almost always know what to do in a relationship, I’m very creative and pro-active about them because I love being in them but recently I encountered a problem that confused me and I’m not sure I did the right thing. I was dating a woman who is a sex worker, an erotic masseuse. We met on a kinky web site (alt.com) and she knew that I am a very sexual man that few women can keep up with. Everybody knows her to be an amazing woman, and not at all what you might think. She’s totally sane, sober, well adjusted, a woman who loves men and loves to give them pleasure but knows her boundaries. Each man gets a regular massage for half the session then the other half is devoted to bringing them to orgasm with her hands (only). There is some mutual touch and very occasionally she does a little of the “girlfriend experience” but only a little bit, just touches of it here and there for selected regular clients. She has incredible intuition about male psychology and men get real sexual healing from her and I always supported her in her work and was never jealous or felt threatened, because I trusted her completely. So after a few months of dating we fell in love, and I stopped dating other women because I was so infatuated and so in love with her.



But then after about a year of us being monogamous I felt that I wanted--on occasion—to be able to have some casual sex once in awhile. Since I have always been totally honest in my relationships (it is impossible for me to hide the contents of my heart from a women I am in love with) I told her I wanted a little freedom to play. As it was we only saw each other on the weekends and we both wanted to keep it that way. I only wanted to play on the weekdays so there would be no time taken from our wonderful, beautiful relationship. I was somewhat surprised when she said no. When I countered that she was “playing” all week with other men she disagreed and said it was “just business.” This seemed unreasonable and after weeks of long phone calls, emails and tears and anger I ended the relationship with a terrible amount of sadness and confusion. It just seemed so unfair to me. Or was it? I recognize that this whole thing is totally unaccebtable to most people, but I have always been different when it comes to love, I’m super passionate and full of energy for the women I love, I just never have found a woman that can be all things to me, fill all my needs, or even most of them, yet in my past relationships I have somehow been able to satisfy all their needs. Read my other post below on monogamy for more details.





girlygurl -> RE: Sex work, dating and jealously. I'm confused, (for once) (12/21/2009 5:19:18 PM)

You knew going in to the relationship what she did for " a living" as in her profession, as in WORK not play. You were monogamous with her for a year? And you started getting bored with her? That's how I'm reading it anyway. If the two of you had agreed to multiple lovers in the beginning and she changed her mind that's one thing... but deciding after being together for one year, then telling her you wanted some new tail and her not agreeing to it.... well, IMO IF you really loved her, you would be OK with her feelings/thoughts on the matter and got over yourself.

If it's really important for you to have multiple lovers disclose that from the get go, don't wait until both of you have invested yourselves emotionally.




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