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LafayetteLady -> RE: Need a hand finding some information! (12/22/2009 8:23:45 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23
No, it doesn't. If hypnosis cannot make a person do what they do not want to do, then there is no potential to force action without consent. If there is a potential for the overriding of consent, then we cannot say that hypnosis cannot make a person do what they do not want to do. Both cannot be true, there cannot be both the potential to override consent and the impossibility of over-riding consent. Something that is impossible cannot also be potentially true, otherwise it is not actually impossible.
Actually it does. Someone may have a desire to do something somewhere in their subconscious, but in the conscious NOW not want to have the particular experience at that time. YOU are the one saying that something is impossible, not me. I believe nearly all things are possible given the correct set of circumstances. We are not talking about someone clucking like a chicken at a party. Even in that circumstance, the clucker didn't consent to acting the fool. They merely accepted that it might occur. I seriously doubt that a person can receive a post hypnotic suggestion to achieve orgasm only by anal sex. The OP would like to teach someone to find anal sex pleasurable, using the hope that by allowing her to only achieve orgasm from anal penetration will cause that act to become associated with pleasure. The orgasm is nothing more than the result of the pleasurable act. Essentially, in this case it means that the person who is seeking to give the post hypnotic suggestion to their partner is too lazy to actually work towards making the act pleasurable to begin with. I don't care how deeply you want to hypnotize someone, it doesn't mean that they are going to suddenly enjoy someone ramming their penis into their ass.
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Someone can very much want to learn how to do something...and unless you personally are receiving anal sex, don't make the assumption that everyone wants to...but not be ready to do so. Therefore, while a post hypnotic suggestion COULD do it, they aren't ready to do so and therefore it lacks consent.
What? That made no sense. I can't even follow what you are talking about. I think perhaps you are arguing with a assertion you didn't bother to understand first. The it in your statement that I highlighted, what does it refer to? If you understood my point, then that "it" should refer to "orgasming from anal sex," but when one makes the substitution your comment doesn't appear to make a lick of sense.
Yes it makes complete sense. See above. Finding an act pleasurable is always going to be based on the act being done properly. If the act is done incorrectly, there will not be pleasure and no orgasm. Furthermore, one is not consenting to the activity, they are consenting to the hypnosis. Someone who is having issues with getting pleasure from anal sex is not likely going to fall prey to a hypnotic suggestion anyway.
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Furthermore, when I talk about lack of consent, I am ALWAYS talking within the legal sense of the term and how it could play out should someone feel they have been violated by such activity.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
Since you obviously do not understand the legal ramifications of such a thing, allow me to explain. If it were possible through post hypnotic suggestion to cause someone to find anal sex pleasurable (which again is the issue, not the orgam, but the act itself), and the guy then figures he can penetrate her anally with abandon because after all, she was hypnotized to think it feels good, after the act is complete, this girl is in pain and not in a good way. When she realizes what happened, she isn't going to feel all warm and fuzzy because some jerk gave her a post hypnotic suggestion and sodomized her. Where do you think that puts the guy in the eyes of the law? If you think he is in the clear, go ahead and try it and then tell a judge what happened. Then we could all look forward to seeing you listed as a sex offender for the rest of your life.
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Most people here are intelligent enough to know the theories of hypnosis. Regardless of that, unless someone is receiving an object up their ass, they can only theorize on how to make it work, and opine on what has worked for them with their partner. Just because you have an asshole doesn't mean that you have any clue on the subject. This is one area where in the interest of physical safety, the one receiving the object in the ass needs to have the majority of the say on the pace of moving forward.
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I really don't think you have any idea what this conversation is about.
Actually I think it is the other way around. The OP wants his girl to find anal sex a pleasurable. No where did he state that he even cared if she ever achieved orgasm from the act, rather he pointed out the method which he has used in the past in his attempts to make a previous partner find the act pleasurable.
Besides the ignorant statement that you believe EVERYONE subconsciously wants to orgasm from anal sex, completely disregarding that many don't even want to engage in the act, looking for a short cut to helping someone learn to find the act pleasurable is ridiculous and very unlikely to work.
So here is a suggestion, YOU have someone hypnotize you, as a straight male, and give you a post hypnotic suggestion that you will find anal sex so pleasurable, you will blow your load the instant an object enters your ass. Then after someone has used that object like a jack hammer in your ass (after all, subconsciously EVERYONE wants to enjoy it and orgasm from it), let me know how much you liked it when you are walking like you rode a horse for 16 hours.
Leave the suggestions on how to teach someone to enjoy anal sex to those who actually are on the receiving end or have some actual real time experience on the issue. Your theory, while it may be nice in a book, would never work with living breathing human beings.
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