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NeedToUseYou -> RE: Would you donate to this? (12/26/2009 4:32:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
Because I went through the effort of actually establishing, promoting, and eating the inital costs. You certainly don't have to participate.
So essentially it isn't because you want to do something to help others, you want to do something to make yourself feel good. Ok.
Listen, if you don't like what I think is "good" then go do something you think is good, people can select to participate or not. You act as if your view of something I'm doing is more important than my view. You know the person actually trying to do something.
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All of my examples, you mean the two I rattled off. I don't think this form of "help" would "help" an active drug addict. Thus why they would not qualify. So, let's see I let a raging alcholic win, give him a check for a 100K. Yeah, that is going to work out. There probably are better options for such people.
At no time did I say help an active drug addict. Frankly, my brother died of a drug overdose, and I am extremely critical of people who turn to drugs to solve their problems. However, I also know that the "options" that are available for drug addicts without a great deal of funds don't work. Studies have shown that in order for any rehabilitation program to work, it needs to be an in patient program lasting 12 months or more. Only the rich will be able to afford such a program. For the rest of the people, they have the 12 step programs or maybe a 28 day program which has been shown to have a high recidivism rate.
Well, this isn't for drug addicts, or recent drug addicts. Don't agree, agree, whichever, everything can't help every problem.
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First off I grew up on welfare, so I don't need the lecture. Second, yeah, if a person selects to stay on welfare, because it pays more, then I would not help them. Why for one I know lots of people that have pulled themselves off welfare, my sister has three kids and managed to do, and we are in one of the highest unemployment counties in the state. She actually makes more money than I do.
I have nothing against people that go on welfare for a time, but once that time is measured in years, sorry they have chosen to stay there.
I'm glad to hear your sister is doing well. But the rest is nothing more than your opinion, it has no basis in fact.
It would be your opinion otherwise as well. Whichever, this isn't a program to to teach people how not to be leeches of the system.
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In addition this isn't a training program to teach people basic math, or balance a check book or whatnot. It's a program to take people that have the ability to do well, to do well.
This was in reference to another poster's idea of what a good charitable organization would be. Your idea is not about charity at all, it is about giving money to people who are already well off.
You just made that up. How is someone losing their business doing well? How is a kid dropping out of college because they are broke doing well?
Guess it never crossed your mind that they could and should have perhaps sold their expensive home and cars to keep their business going and get their bills paid.
Again, your imagination is attempting to put words in my mouth. Never said anything in that regard.
Sorry, but I just don't have sympathy for people who can't afford to live in expensive homes or drive new cars and want "charity" to help them do so.
Again, you just making shit up. I have no idea why you are so hostile, apparently you have construct in your head of me wanting to give money to doctors. Most small business owners aren't rich by the way. It doesn't take much effort to research that.
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I've no interest though, in "helping" those that aren't trying to help themselves, and a person on welfare for a half a decade or longer is either stupid, or lazy.
Sorry, that's my view, grew up on welfare like I said, those that want to escape generally do.
Again, that's an opinion not based on any facts. Many of the people who do "escape" welfare do so with the help of charitable organizations that give them the assistance to do so. Organizations that provide vehicles so they can get to work, day care to help them with their children, rental assistance, etc.
What's not based on fact? The reasoning that with so many charities and organizations and government programs available to help those on welfare, that they must be stupid not to utilize them and get off welfare in less time than it takes to get a bachelors degree?
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One possible scenario... of thousands, but that would be a good application. The reasoning is that only those doing well, are really in a position to help others. As in if you "help" a 1000 people with a 1000 dollars, there is almost zero chance that any permanent result will come of it, however, if you gave 1 qualified competent person that money, more than likely something permanent will come forth and actually help going forward. Is it really that complicated.
Nope not that complicated at all. Also not a charitable organization. More like a scholarship program or a grant program. Most of the people on this site also told you all the ways that people who really need the help could be helped. Yes, they did it in a more polite way than I did, but you don't want to listen to them either.
Do you have any facts to back up your "theory" that giving someone who needs help would not permanently benefit from $1000?
Do, you have any facts showing giving a 1000 dollars to destitute people led to job creation?
I guess the concept that it might keep them from becoming homeless isn't permanent enough for you.
Nope...
The point is that while you have talked about a charity, and have stated how you would like to "donate" to one person, you haven't mentioned your qualifications to make that choice other than the childish "I put it all together, so of course I get to decide."
You are sitting here, telling me I need your fucking approval, to invest my time and energy, and fucking money towards something I think is good. Of course, I will have a larger say than some anonymous person(you) on the internet. I'm not soliciting donations here, I'm certainly not going to provide details. I won't even mention it here once going.
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Probably. It would largely depend on the divorced mom, and if she was trying to contribute, rather than leech the system. It would depend on her history. If she was on welfare for 5 plus years, it would be unlikely, If she never worked, it would be very unlikely.
Again, your ignorance of reality is showing. In today's market, if someone takes just 3 years off from work to raise their child (not talking about being on welfare, talking about someone who is married and is able to be a stay at home mom), she is going to find it difficult to get a decent paying job, her skills are already outdated, and companies don't like when people take time off to raise a family. Then again, you have all but called that type of woman "lazy" for raising her children and not working.
I called someone on welfare for years lazy..
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color="#000099"]You don't tell me what to do, especially in regards to something that is giving to someone. Geez, so you would prefer no one get help if it's not a poor working divorcee I suppose. How generous of you.
Never said that you should only help the poor working divorcee. I am saying that you should really learn what people need.
Oh, why don't you tell me, what people need. Better yet why don't you go provide it.
It is far from what you are looking to give. The point is that even though you don't believe it, little things DO make a big difference to many people.
What you don't get is I'm not looking to help everyone. I'm looking to help those that are trying to achieve something more than the mundane.
There are a large number of people who are poor and struggling who aren't on welfare since you seem to have an issue with people on welfare. They go to work everyday, even when they are sick. Some of these people might be serving you your food in a restaurant or bagging your groceries. They go to work when they are sick because they don't get paid sick time and can't lose the money, their budgets are that tight. There isn't a spare penny. Did you ever think of creating a scholarship program for one of those families? They can't afford to put anything away for their kids college education.
Why would you assume, they wouldn't qualify. Oh yeah, I forgot my two examples of thousands.... Ok, yeah, I get it, since people that aren't absolutely eating hand to mouth yet might get help, I'm just interested in giving money to the rich. Got it.
The point is, you started with a good idea. But really, if you were able to raise 100K, and did the research, you could do a lot more with that kind of money than help some rich person who can't afford their Hummer anymore.
More made up fantasy land bullshit, rich people, you are the only one mentioning rich people. I never said I'd give money to rich people.
You want to start a charitable organization, look at others and see what makes them successful.
Most charities, well let's see if I liked the way most charities worked, I probably wouldn't be interested in starting a different one. Now, would I.
Find out what is needed in your community. You have already said you live in an area that has the highest unemployment in the state. Do you think those people are lazy, or don't need help?
Most of them are lazy. Some aren't.
Those are the people who would appreciate it more than the rich business owner who is floundering. Don't you think?
You keep mentioning rich people, are you OCD, I mentioned a business owner, that was going to lose everything over a dying kid, and you keep harping on about hummers, and big houses.
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LOL, whatever. You sound bitter to me.
I'm not bitter at all. I just find it ridiculous to call something a charitable organization that would be based on giving to people who really don't need charity.
Well, it would be ridiculous to give money to people that won't put it to good use. Unfortunately you and I aren't talking about the same thing.
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