Real0ne
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Yes they can!
Its no secret, its right under everyones noses and its so taken for granted in our daily lives that often times few see it for what it is. Putting yourselves into a position that the government can do all this to you is very easy, but getting yourselves back out is a real pain.
I made this into a new thread in the event people on this board wish to discuss how to get out from under the problems they created for themselves. Long story short I cannot itemize every variant of how this all fits together in one post but if there is interest I will be happy to go into more detail if you all want to hear it.
I originally posted this actually on another board where we collectively study the subject.
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ORIGINAL: shannie
Under the guise of "healthcare reform," it's proposed that the federal government has the right to force every American to buy a corporate product. Someone's finally asking, "Under what authority?"
well not every american.
(most of this stuff has little effect on me)
probly does every citizen though.
people forget the 14th amendment makes most of you chattel property of the government (subject to the jurisdiction thereof), and extends the feds jurisdiction into both the states and your bedrooms.
I just wrote a little on this subject matter for another group I will get it and paste it below
This is how governments hook you:
First and foremost you have an infinite right to contract. You can contract to be someones slave and there is no one who can tell you otherwise and force you not to be a slave if that is your will or agreement. (if you do it properly that is). The government cannot interfere with a private contract unless it is brought into their venue and that has to be very specific.... and a peoples common law tribunal is not government btw..... anyway.....
They hook you by obtaining your agreement to share title and by your specifically granting them legal title by virtue of registering your property in the government trust, with the county, instead of in your bible and a public notice.
legal title controls. (trust law)
They split title in the early 1900's so they could do precisely what they are doing today which removes the dejure allodial title granted by the king in the treaty if paris brokered by Franklin mostly.
It does not end with property title;
A marriage license gives them authority to regulate what goes on in your bed
The birth certificate is a surety bond giving them authority over your children as chattel.
The Drivers license gives them authority to overrule your right to travel.
Hunting license, plumbing license, air conditioning license etc etc etc all give the government permission to regulate you.
The upcoming health care will give them legal authority to tell you what you have to do with your body.
You see the people created a de jure government and then under that government that operated under "public law" likewise corporations who also operated under the people under the public law.
Then the supreme court gave corporations nearly all the "rights" persons have or nearly on par with the people and in doing so now corporations could be used in place of government which was put into effect when the country (as in de jure government) lost its sovereignty through foreclosure on the bankruptcy.
It was a very well constructed plan and it worked flawlessly.
With that this country was converted to "public policy", (no longer republic but a democracy).....
Many of us either have corporations where we make "policy" for our employees or work at corporations and are subject to corporate policy at work. So we should all have understand corporations.
That said the government has legitimate authority to regulate corporations within their juridiction (and most are), and those who commingle their affairs.
So all the government does is require all corporations under their jurisdiction to fill out a registration form for any guns they sell.
So you register your gun and blam you have just shared title with the government who now has legal title and control over your guns.
The only way to prevent this is to buy from a "private party" not someone who is part of the corporate structure under the control of the government.
So once you register your weapon, house, car, boat, business, marriage, children, yourself, anything they have legal title, legal title controls and hence they are more than happy to take control over it for you because it means more tax revenue for them.
I cannot stress enough that you all sold yourselves up the river because you have no idea what those contracts with the devil "REALLY" mean in LAW and this is why those contracts are enforced and will continue to be enforced!
You agreed to it!
That and before you all want to stone me to death for bringing the sad truth to bear, take a hike down to the registrars office and get a "couple" copies of your berth certificate and it will be....ta da! on watermarked bond paper each with a filing number and a unique BOND number.
It is a surety bond underwritten and drawn against you! (and you all thought slavery needed shackles and a collar) :)
That said, this is a very large topic to explain in one post and really deserves a thread of its own, but insurance is admiralty law ok.
the constitution talks about 3 forms of law; common law, torts etc (on land), equity law to force performance and finally admiralty law of the sea.
the only one requiring insurance is admiralty and it was officially imposed, well it started after lincoln but went full force in 1938 when we went insolvent and finally became cast in concrete when we left the gold standard completely.
Anyway that is how they have the authority to control you and force you to do whatever they want.
It has nothing to do with the constitution as a whole (another long story) just the 14th for the most part, and everything to do with your contracts with the devil. you all did it to yourselves and you do not even know it.
The moral of the story is: "You joined the club" you follow the club rules. So its not a matter of "do they" have the authority, it a matter of how far do they want to push that authority. (boiling that frog slowly) and how fearful are they of the people finding out that the constitution for most people today is nothing more than a piece of paper because they waived their rights through contracting with the devil.
Oh and before I end here. My birth cert, the water marks on it, get this: are CHAINS!
Happy holidays
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