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Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:21:33 PM   
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Is it me or is there an alarming amount of Pro/Financial Dominants (particularly in the female section)? I feel like this site is turning into an advertising website for those offering services for money (escorts). For example, when searching for female dominants, 5 out of 8 search results were either Pro Dominant, Financial Dominant, or demanded money of some sort. This might not pertain to what this post is supposed to question, but I also wanted to share my thoughts with everyone on the matter of fake profiles. It annoys me that there are people who create female profiles, particularly young profiles with ages less than 21 and with 1 or 2 semi-nude pictures that captivates the attention of males, specifically emphasizing "human ATMs" and "cash pigs" for their services. Most of these profiles end up being fakes, and after luring some unfortunate CMer into sending money, they will disappear, never to respond to the user again. Is there any others that share my viewpoint on this matter?
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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:30:08 PM   
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When I used to be on another site, pros were categorised and labelled as such, and there weren't many complaints about them. If they are violating the rules here, you can report them, and if enough people do so, their profile will be removed. If people are intelligent about who they seek, they can usually detect scammers rather than be taken in by them.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:40:31 PM   
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Most of these profiles end up being fakes, and after luring some unfortunate CMer into sending money, they will disappear, never to respond to the user again. Is there any others that share my viewpoint on this matter?

Have you sent money to most of those profiles, so you know?  Or are you talking out of your hat?

My viewpoint is that your viewpoint is BS.  Most of the women advertising as prodommes or findommes are just that -- women trying to make some money as prodommes or findommes.  Nothing fake about those profiles.  They are exactly what they say they are.  The profiles operated by scammers tend to use words like "love" and "God-fearing" and "no limits" -- or they sound 100% vanilla because they've been cut-and-pasted from someone else's profile on a nilla dating site.

There is a "Hide" button, you know.  Please hide any profile that you don't wish to view, and it will never show up in your search results again.


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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:42:11 PM   
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In the past, I have posted a poll that questioned how many people would like pro- services as another category, but in my surprise, half of the people polled did not want a change. Having pro- services as another category can only benefit, not hurt one's search in my opinion so I figured many would be up for this kind of option. Many of the users on CM unfortunately do not even know about "Report Profile" function, which is why I offered my opinion on fake profiles. I agree that intelligent people would not fall prey to scammers, but once in a while, someone gets tricked into spending money they will never see again, which is why I wanted others' opinions.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:46:26 PM   
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Many of the users on CM unfortunately do not even know about "Report Profile" function,

How many?  How many did you ask, and how many said they had never seen the Report button before?

It sounds as though you assume that everyone would want those profiles reported.  Well, some people do, and some don't.  A lot of men write dommes with professional profiles here.  Could you tell me again how this is hurting you?  Because it's really not.  You're having a hard time searching for someone, maybe, and you're feeling frustrated.  But the evil prodommes aren't standing in the way of your future happiness.


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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:54:11 PM   
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Have you sent money to most of those profiles, so you know?  Or are you talking out of your hat?

My viewpoint is that your viewpoint is BS.  Most of the women advertising as prodommes or findommes are just that -- women trying to make some money as prodommes or findommes.  Nothing fake about those profiles.  They are exactly what they say they are.  The profiles operated by scammers tend to use words like "love" and "God-fearing" and "no limits" -- or they sound 100% vanilla because they've been cut-and-pasted from someone else's profile on a nilla dating site.

There is a "Hide" button, you know.  Please hide any profile that you don't wish to view, and it will never show up in your search results again.



I have not sent money myself, but I have friends that I chat with on a normal basis that unfortunately have been, so I am not "talking out of my hat". I could say the same thing about you too. Have you ever been scammed yourself? Have you ever contacted these fake profiles and see for yourself how they operate? If you do not know how others feel on the matter, how can you judge one's viewpoint? Most of the fake profiles I have flagged in my configuration do not have words like "love", "God-fearing", "no limits" as I do not even look at those obvious ones... The fake profiles I am talking about are the ones that address BDSM activities instead of vanilla and act like an actual female dominant before they scam, as they are not that stupid to be flagged instantly. Also, I have used the "Hide" function, but what I am trying to do is collect others' opinions, not to satisfy my search results...

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 2:59:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goten11756

Is it me or is there an alarming amount of Pro/Financial Dominants (particularly in the female section)? I feel like this site is turning into an advertising website for those offering services for money (escorts).

I don't know if I would call it alarming. 

For example, when searching for female dominants, 5 out of 8 search results were either Pro Dominant, Financial Dominant, or demanded money of some sort.

What are you using for your search criteria? 

This might not pertain to what this post is supposed to question, but I also wanted to share my thoughts with everyone on the matter of fake profiles. It annoys me that there are people who create female profiles, particularly young profiles with ages less than 21 and with 1 or 2 semi-nude pictures that captivates the attention of males, specifically emphasizing "human ATMs" and "cash pigs" for their services. Most of these profiles end up being fakes, and after luring some unfortunate CMer into sending money, they will disappear, never to respond to the user again. Is there any others that share my viewpoint on this matter?

Hmmm...it would seem your real problem is with the "fakes" that lure you into their lairs.  Give it time and you'll be able to develop a better BS detector...hopefully.



Ahhh, but now we come to the heart of the matter...

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ORIGINAL:  goten11756
In the past, I have posted a poll that questioned how many people would like pro- services as another category, but in my surprise, half of the people polled did not want a change. Having pro- services as another category can only benefit, not hurt one's search in my opinion so I figured many would be up for this kind of option.

Yes, I remember your poll...wasn't the hit you thought it would be.  You were given a number of reasons why this might not be an option (the idea of a seperate "pro" category). 

Many of the users on CM unfortunately do not even know about "Report Profile" function, which is why I offered my opinion on fake profiles.

Really?  If that's the case, I would suggest they take the time to look over the features offered on the site they chose to sign up with.  Common sense and all that, you know.

I agree that intelligent people would not fall prey to scammers, but once in a while, someone gets tricked into spending money they will never see again, which is why I wanted others' opinions.

My opinion...if other people aren't able to make use of their intelligence and common sense, ie sending money to strangers or joining another website in order to chat with someone, then that's their problem...live and learn.  This is a site for adults, yes? 

Just my opinion.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 3:07:13 PM   
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How many?  How many did you ask, and how many said they had never seen the Report button before?

It sounds as though you assume that everyone would want those profiles reported.  Well, some people do, and some don't.  A lot of men write dommes with professional profiles here.  Could you tell me again how this is hurting you?  Because it's really not.  You're having a hard time searching for someone, maybe, and you're feeling frustrated.  But the evil prodommes aren't standing in the way of your future happiness.



OK, maybe this will help you understand this logically.

Say a profile was created a year ago. This profile has words inside the description section such as "love", "God-fearing" etc... This profile has been active throughout the time. The profile is still active today, and shows up at certain times. Now since I hope you got the picture, there are many of these profiles active on CM. According to your statement, these profiles should be banned if people reported them. Why are they still here today? Did many people know about the "Report" function and have CM delete the profile? I don't think so....

I love how you express someone's opinion based on how you judge them by the cover. Do you know me well enough to say this is "hurting" me? I have never said this is "hurting" me before, nor have I ever talked to you before. And have I said anything about having a hard time searching for someone? I don't think so and if you must know, I actually meet people in real munches instead of sitting in front of a computer screen, searching profiles all-day. And what are these "evil prodommes" you are talking about?

Edit: I am not trying to demean you in any way so please don't misunderstand me. I am just trying to see what other people think on the matter, not on my profile.


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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 3:23:56 PM   
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I don't know if I would call it alarming. 
-Well, this is what another  person on the site has said which I agreed to, so I put in the word alarming
What are you using for your search criteria? 
- Just the usual, female dominant, no age preference, seeking sub men
Hmmm...it would seem your real problem is with the "fakes" that lure you into their lairs.  Give it time and you'll be able to develop a better BS detector...hopefully.
-I acknowledge that the “fakes” on this site do indeed bother me, but they are not my “real problem” as I am not dim-witted enough to be coughing up money to someone posting fake profiles. I think my BS detector cannot get developed any further as I have never been scammed. How do you improve one’s anyway?…lol



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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 4:58:31 PM   
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Is it me or is there an alarming amount of Pro/Financial Dominants ()particularly in the female section?


particularly in the female section

Eh, wot? Not exclusively in the female section, but only PARTICULARLY ?

There are guys getting paid to do this? Why wasn't I informed?

Coulda used the extra cash for Christmas shopping.

At the dollar store.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 5:53:12 PM   
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Doesn't alarm Me at all, nor does it phase Me any.  As I see it, they are here for their own interest, just like I am and just like everyone else is.  I'm sure, OP, you are here for your own reasons, which probably aren't the same as Mine.  Just because our reasons aren't the same doesn't mean that only one or the other of us shouldn't use the site.  

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 6:15:59 PM   
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Doesn't alarm Me at all, nor does it phase Me any.  As I see it, they are here for their own interest, just like I am and just like everyone else is.  I'm sure, OP, you are here for your own reasons, which probably aren't the same as Mine.  Just because our reasons aren't the same doesn't mean that only one or the other of us shouldn't use the site.  


Of course, "To each, their own" as the saying goes. Everyone has the right to the site, and I don't disagree with you there :)

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 7:20:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goten11756

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Doesn't alarm Me at all, nor does it phase Me any.  As I see it, they are here for their own interest, just like I am and just like everyone else is.  I'm sure, OP, you are here for your own reasons, which probably aren't the same as Mine.  Just because our reasons aren't the same doesn't mean that only one or the other of us shouldn't use the site.  


Of course, "To each, their own" as the saying goes. Everyone has the right to the site, and I don't disagree with you there :)



Well if everyone has a right to this site what are you complaining about?

We have been around this racetrack a few times already.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 7:41:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


quote:

ORIGINAL: goten11756

Is it me or is there an alarming amount of Pro/Financial Dominants ()particularly in the female section?


particularly in the female section

Eh, wot? Not exclusively in the female section, but only PARTICULARLY ?

There are guys getting paid to do this? Why wasn't I informed?

Coulda used the extra cash for Christmas shopping.

At the dollar store.

There are actually a number of males that try to get cash out of being dominant. They're usually arranged more along the lines of 'sign over your paycheck to me" than "buy me something off my amazon wish list" or a traditional dominatrix though. At least, that has been my observation on here. Whether or not these plans WORK is another matter entirely.

In related weird news, I just used the phrase "traditional dominatrix" unironically.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 7:50:49 PM   
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In related weird news, I just used the phrase "traditional dominatrix" unironically.

That was funny!







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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/26/2009 10:33:02 PM   
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This profile has words inside the description section such as "love", "God-fearing" etc... This profile has been active throughout the time.


I guess you are new at this online stuff. Dating profiles with those words are all over the internet, and they normally originate in Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa or Ukraine, and are always scams. Question is: how come you don't know this?

Secondarily, it is clear from your comments you don't believe that the individual is responsible for who they connect with, and what they do. Did many people know about the "Report" function, you ask. Let me put it this way: if they don't, they have not looked at the buttons available at each profile and with each incoming email. There are extensive online help files that address these things, as well, and plenty of warnings all over the system. You cannot help people who won't help themselves.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/27/2009 4:42:35 PM   
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I've browsed some profiles which might be suspect, but I don't think I would report them unless I had more than just a suspicion to go on. 

Fakery seems to be common all over the Internet, and no one seems to be immune to it.  I even get text messages on my phone telling me that my credit card has been deactivated and to call this number right away.  I never call, because it's obviously a scam. 

I don't know that there are "too many" professional or financial dominas, but from what I can tell, they're honest and upfront about that in their profiles.  I'm not really so worried or alarmed about it, though.  If it's not what I'm looking for, I move on to the next profile. 

I think I can understand your point, though.  It's difficult to reconcile between what is "business" and what is "personal," and, if I understand you correctly, you want there to be a clear distinction. 

But this is where it gets a bit fuzzy for me personally, because in matters of business, I tend to look at things methodically and analytically (for the most part).  I might check with the Better Business Bureau or some other trade organization (such as the AMA, if I'm looking for a doctor).  But it doesn't seem so cut-and-dried in matters like this. 



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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/27/2009 5:19:05 PM   
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Animus, there are also men who get paid for play, but most of their clients are other men.

Goten, I actually think that having the separate designation and enforcing it is a good idea in abstract, but apparently CM's software isn't set up to easily allow for it. If someone gets scammed, they should pursue it legally if possible, and report the person to CM. To some extent though, it's hard to have much sympathy for people who don't at least apply basic common sense about sending money to someone they've never met. If the person asks upfront for money, or has you go to their pro-website, then they aren't a scammer, they've just wasted a bit of your time.

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/27/2009 5:22:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goten11756

In the past, I have posted a poll that questioned how many people would like pro- services as another category, but in my surprise, half of the people polled did not want a change. Having pro- services as another category can only benefit, not hurt one's search in my opinion so I figured many would be up for this kind of option. Many of the users on CM unfortunately do not even know about "Report Profile" function, which is why I offered my opinion on fake profiles. I agree that intelligent people would not fall prey to scammers, but once in a while, someone gets tricked into spending money they will never see again, which is why I wanted others' opinions.


I don't know why this topic continues to be such an annoyance for so many males.

I have yet to see a post on why there are so many professional plumbers in the world, or so many professional marketing experts.

Don't like it? (Don't pay for their services).

NEXT?

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RE: Why are there too many Pro/Fin Dominants? - 12/27/2009 5:30:26 PM   
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Personally, I don't have an issue with someone being a professional so long as it is clear in the profile.  This is the thing, I search through profiles and most don't match my interests/needs or I don't match the interests/needs expressed by the one who created the profile.  Sometimes I will comment if there is something that caught my eye about the profile even though I know we are not a match, however most times I just close it and move on...  Professionals who label themselves accordingly would fit into that same category.

5/8 sounds like a pretty high percentage, but how did you only get 8 dominants to show up in your search?  You're profile says you are in MD and that seems to be a pretty populated area.  What are you searching for?

I think that if CM would allow people to designate their profiles as professionals it might help because people would be able to exclude those profiles from their search if they so wished (or search Just for them if that's what they desired).  I have to imagine though that in doing so, CM might run into some legal issues with different jurisdictions.  Professional dominants and submissives are legal in some places, and not in others.

*shrug*  I'd advise just closing the profile if it doesn't suit your interests.  Someone being upfront about what they want is not an issue.  It is ones who are deceptive in their solicitation that bothers me and those are the ones I'd like to see gone.  Being a female, I haven't been subjected to many of those (except for a couple of offers from Ghana and Nigeria I think it was LOL), however I have heard stories from some of the guys I have chatted with.

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