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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Obviously Bush didn't then because this era is where your national debt grew the most.

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For example, they promised you a middle class tax cut, since they knew once they gained control of Congress they would pass a whole slew of back door tax increases and eventually get more money out of you than they would have otherwise starting with healthcare fines.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Actually, starting with Obama's tobacco tax increases, which was a huge tax increase on especially the poorest, the least educated, and the elderly.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Actually, starting with Obama's tobacco tax increases, which was a huge tax increase on especially the poorest, the least educated, and the elderly.

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...Of course, society's perception of smoking has changed a lot since the days of doctors actually endorsing one brand or another in the first half of last century. Dimmitt recalls "ashtrays in church pews, smoking in the classroom and blowing pipe smoke all over the students!"

"When I was born, my mother was allowed to smoke in the hospital room with me in there," Jerome said. "When I had my adult children, we were allowed to smoke in the day room on the maternity ward floor, although the babies were not allowed in there. When I had my youngest children, ages 5 and 8 now, you couldn't smoke in the hospital. How the times have changed."


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"The demographics have changed so much that now, more often than not, it's the disadvantaged who are still smoking compared to the highly educated, highly trained people," Hurt said. "It is pretty clear that the prevalence of smoking in groups of people is related to education status, which is a surrogate for income status. ... When you go down the income ladder, the smoking prevalence rises. Some groups of severely disadvantaged people have smoking rates of 30 to 40-plus percent."


Hurt says that there is also a much higher prevalence of smoking among people with mental health disorders like depression, alcoholics, drug users and schizophrenics.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/09/who.still.smokes/index.html

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

We will soon be spending half a trillion dollars in interest on the national debt each year. This money goes to wealthy people here, wealthy people overseas, and to other countries who have bought our debt.

If you divide up $500 billion by each state, that would give each state $10 billion to spend annually on infrastructure, new inner city schools, and rehabilitate slum neighborhoods, while increasing police protection, and decreasing unemployment.

Would you rather we slowly degenerate into a 3rd world country or would you rather we end this nonsense now, declare bankruptcy, and pass a Constitutional amendment that the feds cannot under any circumstances ever again take more than 10% of our paycheck in taxes (hidden taxes too), they can never again borrow money unless it is all out war, and they must never again spend more than they take in. If programs have to be shut down and transferred to the states then so be it.

That's exactly how we got into this mess in the first place, by the federal government creating programs and agencies that are unconstitutional in the first place according to the 10th amendment.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Now the globalist will tell you that it will collapse the world economy, but the world economy has almost collapsed once already. If we continue on the path we are on, it will either collapse anyway or we will all degenerate into 3rd world countries. It's very simple, China has made their economy dependent on ours. As we degenerate so will theirs. We are already subsidizing Europe with trade and our military bases, Mexico and Canada with NAFTA, and China with the Chinese trade deal. How long do you think we can continue subsidizing half the world? Especially since our government will soon have half the population either on social security or government freebies. 1 in 9 people are already on food stamps.

The globalist will also tell you that we benefit from free trade. Nonsense. Sure a few companies like Walmart stand to benefit, but do we sell out an entire country just so a few companies can benefit? The problem is that we can't compete with slave labor in 3rd world countries. For now we can still afford to buy their products, but they can't afford to buy ours. There's no possible way we can come out ahead on these deals.

Globalist will also call you an isolationist just as they call the people who want strict immigration enforcement racist or xenophobes. You have to be smart enough to realize that there has always been trade for thousands of years, and that will never stop. However, we simply can't survive when the trade deals do not at least allow us to come out even. Fair trade agreements are the answer, not free trade. Do you realize that China is in the planning stages of building car factories in Mexico? Now, that's not fair at all using slave labor, with only minimal transportation cost, no import fees, and the profit goes back to China.

If you haven't figured it out yet by now, they are manipulating your mind with politically correct buzzwords to put you on the defensive. For example, they call Amnesty Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Obama is a master of deception just as Bill Clinton was. For example, they promised you a middle class tax cut, since they knew once they gained control of Congress they would pass a whole slew of back door tax increases and eventually get more money out of you than they would have otherwise starting with healthcare fines. When Bill Clinton announced the Chinese Trade Deal, he said that it would open up an enormous market for American Corporations. He failed to mention that it would also open up an enormous American market to the Chinese who can undersell us even including overseas shipping costs.

Imagine what's going to happen when we can't even afford to buy their poducts. To sum it up, it's over with folks. The globalist have lost. It's just a matter of time. We might as well declare bankruptcy now, and start rebuilding our nation. To Hell with all the people and countries who tried to bleed out nation dry. We have no loyalty to them.

Juan McAmnesty's slogan "Country first", and Obama's slogan "Change we can believe in" have to be the most ironic campaign slogans for all of history, for we will indeed be the first country to go under, and you can believe in that.

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...Of course, society's perception of smoking has changed a lot since the days of doctors actually endorsing one brand or another in the first half of last century. Dimmitt recalls "ashtrays in church pews, smoking in the classroom and blowing pipe smoke all over the students!"
"When I was born, my mother was allowed to smoke in the hospital room with me in there," Jerome said. "When I had my adult children, we were allowed to smoke in the day room on the maternity ward floor, although the babies were not allowed in there. When I had my youngest children, ages 5 and 8 now, you couldn't smoke in the hospital. How the times have changed."
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"The demographics have changed so much that now, more often than not, it's the disadvantaged who are still smoking compared to the highly educated, highly trained people," Hurt said. "It is pretty clear that the prevalence of smoking in groups of people is related to education status, which is a surrogate for income status. ... When you go down the income ladder, the smoking prevalence rises. Some groups of severely disadvantaged people have smoking rates of 30 to 40-plus percent."

Hurt says that there is also a much higher prevalence of smoking among people with mental health disorders like depression, alcoholics, drug users and schizophrenics.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/09/who.still.smokes/index.html

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Everyone is a fiscal conservative, once they understand the math.

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Agreed. And yes, to satisfy everyone, Bush/ Cheney happily ignored the deficits, as did Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy.
In order to find a President that really pursued and accomplished a balanced budget, you have to go all the eway back to Eisenhower.
(Clinton and the GOP Congress of 94- 00 had a budget surplus, but I don't really credit them with it; they didn't set out to do it, never made it a priority, and it happened almost by accident. In my opinion.)

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Everyone is a fiscal conservative, once they understand the math.

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The actions that the OP is suggesting are suicidal.

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There is no need to declare bankruptcy. Just keep spending and inflating the dollar till its worth next to nothing, then declare a new currency with a 1/1 trillion exchange rate. Its so much more face saving than reneging on your obligations.

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Would you rather we slowly degenerate into a 3rd world country or would you rather we end this nonsense now, declare bankruptcy...

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
The actions that the OP is suggesting are suicidal.

Well, yes, but it would make Obama look bad.

So on balance, not such a bad idea.

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Since his birth certificate is fake and he is a usurper of the Office and getting ready to "disappear" disenters, serious measures should be considered. If the Nation must suffer in the short term, it is for a good cause. I agree. What the hell.