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gift4mistress -> Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 5:38:05 PM)
By: Terresa Monroe-Hamilton [image]http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/Interpol.jpg[/image] With Obama, always, always look at the other hand… Yesterday, it was brought to my attention by Pierre Legrand that President Obama signed an Executive Order on December 17th that no one and I mean no one, reported on. Cue the crickets… As horrifying as the health care legislation is and I personally believe it is worthy of revolt, this Executive Order has the potential to be monstrous. Here is the Executive Order The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release December 17, 2009 Executive Order — Amending Executive Order 12425 EXECUTIVE ORDER - – - – - – - AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words “except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act” and the semicolon that immediately precedes them. BARACK OBAMA Nudge, nudge folks… This seems a minor change but let us break it out for you as we see it. Let’s look at the section from Executive Order 12425. Here’s the text of 2(c), which this Executive Order now has applying to Interpol: (c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. This now says that Interpol is no longer subject to the Freedom of Information Act. Their premises or staff can no longer be searched either. Their files are not subject to legal subpoena or discovery. Our government could just hand documents and files over to Interpol and Americans would no longer have access to them. Interpol can legally keep files now on all citizens of the US with no right to redress. In reality, we have just handed over our sovereignty. Interpol headquarters in the US is currently headquartered in the Department of Justice. A ‘separate’ Interpol agency has been created in the DOJ – let that sink in for a moment. Interpol has been granted diplomatic immunity now by Obama – they have exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, US taxes and immunity from FOIA requests, etc. This action could also be used to divulge American military secrets and a whole host of horrific practices having to do with going after our military. It’s the road to internationalism on steroids. I contend this is the foundation for an international governing and policing body. A modern day SS here in the US if you like. Remember how Obama wanted to create a civilian police force? Well, it’s here, just from a direction I never saw it coming from. I really believe you will see Interpol police forces on US soil in the near future. It will resemble the Gestapo and their intelligence gathering techniques. This police force would not be subject to our normal Constitutional oversights – remember, no search and seizure etc. You have to admire the evil genius behind all this. Just stunning. For a great overview of all this, listen to Steve Schippert’s radio broadcast I don't like this man very much, but I found it to be interesting. http://takethatradio.com/index.php/2009/12/22/the-steve-schippert-show-december-22-2009/ The Patriot Room also has a great article INTERPOL, an international criminal police organization, is now poised to reside above the United States Constitution – in a place of sanctity beyond our FBI, CIA, DIA, and all other criminal investigatory domestic organizations. President Obama has just placed our Constitutional rights under international law. [image]http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/dickopf.jpg[/image] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dickopf Garry Hamilton has this to say: It is well to know who these people are, and where they’ve been. Though the expression “modern day SS” sounds like a hyperbolic metaphor, an examination of Interpol’s roots shows that it is, in fact, more literally true than that. I was in Europe in 1973 when an expose was published, revealing that many, if not all, of the presidents of Interpol from the late 1930s or early ’40s until at least 1972 were Nazi Gestapo and SS officers. Reinhard (”The Hangman”), Heydrich (also head of Nazi SS Intelligence Service) and Gestapo chief Ernst Kaltenbrunner. By 1942 Interpol was consolidated with the Nazi Central Police, run by the Gestapo. As the Nazis invaded cities throughout Europe, police files from each were seized and evidently integrated into Interpol’s files. In 1972 the sitting Interpol President was Paul Dickopf, former Nazi SS officer (SS #337259). The source on this? The Simon Wiesenthal Center. Simon Wiesenthal is pretty much the most famous of the post-war Nazi hunters, having impressively thorough files. Interpol isn’t just any old bunch of thugs. They are rooted in one of the most effective and ruthless gang of thugs anywhere, ever. If there is anything at all that can be done to nullify this Executive Order, it needs to be done soonest. The idea of an American President enlisting the aid of both old Communists and old Nazis to bring about the fall of the United States is the stuff of rejected bad novel plots. No one would ever buy a plot that cheesy. I mean, really, would you go see a movie about a President who rose to power through voter fraud and union thuggery, and then brought in the survivors of the two most virulent enemies the country has ever had in order to deliver the knock-out punch to our culture and nation? No, you wouldn’t. It would be the stupidest piece of modern fiction on record. It’s totally unbelievable as a story line. Yeah, it’s really lame fiction. It makes for even worse reality. Interpol are not the good guys. Nothing good can come from giving them any domain at all in our country. And Garry is so very right… Remember, Obama did this while no one was looking and while they were distracted. No media outlet is looking into it. No one is ringing alarm bells. This is happening and it is here. The Trojan Horse of health care for all was definitely a pig with lipstick. The Interpol Executive Order is a shiny Trojan Horse that has the potential to grind America beneath Obama’s bootheel… (I didn't write any of this) I saw this from another forum and I found it to be interesting. Link to the source: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/79583-obama-gives-international-police-force-immunity-american-law.html What do you guys think of all this? Do you fear that too much power has been given to this agency?

LadyEllen -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:02:21 PM)
Well, considering the delving into my private life and the file on me that the US would want to acquire should I think of travelling there - which I would not have access to - and that I as a British citizen can be extradited to the US to face whatever charges for whatever reason under a unilateral treaty obligation, and that I may not do business with anyone in or vaguely connected with certain countries on the orders of the US or risk seizure of my assets..... it seems its all been one-way traffic of late when it comes to "furreigners" imposing their will on others. E

kittinSol -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:05:26 PM)
Interpol: The Heinrich Maneuver. Hope you lighten up. It's only Interpol, dude.

thornhappy -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:15:08 PM)
I figure I'll wait for some additional analysis before I go baying at the moon. I'm skeptical of the following: "This now says that Interpol is no longer subject to the Freedom of Information Act. " The FOIA applies to information and documentation controlled by the US government. I don't see how the FOIA ever applied to Interpol. I've also seen a lot of very alarmist stuff come out about laws, orders, etc. signed by Obama, only to see that the scary conclusions were bogus.

LadyEllen -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:17:59 PM)
Yep Kittin; seems some think Interpol is a competent organisation with some prospect of pulling off world domination when they cant even pull off controlling organised crime. Quite amusing, all in all. E

LadyEllen -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:23:19 PM)
http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/Governance/SG/History.pdf The seedy and shady history of Interpol revealed; note the number of SS officers involved E

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:23:40 PM)
You could make the same argument for the Russian embassy or any other foreign embassy as these rights have existed for these individuals always. It's a trade off doing this probably affords more co-operation for international policing in terms of sharing information about those terrorists etc. This is politics you don’t get something for nothing if you expect more rights over non us citizens you have to give up such rights conversely. It’s never all one way traffic flow in such international agreements. As an example perhaps Interpol offices are now free from interference in other nations that you don't trust as much as your own.

gift4mistress -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 6:23:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Interpol: The Heinrich Maneuver. Hope you lighten up. It's only Interpol, dude. Lol I'm not freaking out at all. I asked a question at the bottom. Also, I didn't write this. I swore I mentioned that somewheres [sm=writing.gif].

AnimusRex -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 9:04:38 PM)
Y'know... Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, kid. All through the past 6 years I have been complaining on blogs and message boards about the excesses of the Patriot Act, and warrantless wiretapping, and suspension of habeas corpus. Well..it was not just me- it was me, and Glenn Greenwald, and the ACLU, and the Daily Kos folks, and Keith Olberman and every other group that the Rightwing called UNAMERICAN TRAITORS! We were told to STFU by people like Charles Krauthammer and Dick Cheney and Peggy Noonan who told us to "just keep walking" and ignore all the losses of civil liberties. Oh, but now? Now that Obama is in office? Suddenly not only is the Patriot Act a scary Marxist-Leninist-Satanic plot, but now it includes latent Nazis, genetically engineered cyborgs, The Trilateral Commission, the Secret Organization of Knights Templar, and the North New Jersey Masonic Lodge, all consipiring to TAKE YOUR GUNS and declare WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!! I swear....look, here's the deal. There is a real threat to our civil liberties- it is documented HERE that the NSA is conducting secret electronic eavesdropping on Americans; documented FUCKING HERE that the US Government imprisoned an American citizen without charges, or trial, or any way to protest his innocence. Why do you people insist on searching the furthest, darkest, most dank and foul corners of teh Intertubes to put together a paranoid Grassy Knoll freak show in order to come up with this stuff? The threat to our liberty is published in ordinary places like the NY Times, Salon, Rolling Stone, and the Atlantic. Fuck all, people- If I was a paranoid tin foil hat sort, I would say you are secretly working WITH the One World Government to make anyone who protests the Patriot Act look like a Gawd-damned lunatic. Now if you will excuse me, I will go bang my head against the wall until it bleeds. GAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Musicmystery -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 9:26:06 PM)
Hi Animus, I feel your pain. Really. Tim

popeye1250 -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 9:58:48 PM)
Funny, let a bunch of guys with foreign accents and badges start kicking in doors in New Hampshire or Texas and you know "someone" is going to get shot. Live Free or Die!" But, it will come in handy for renditioning al qeada savages to oh,...Israel?

pahunkboy -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/28/2009 10:21:06 PM)
This is an outrage!

eyesopened -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 4:50:24 AM)
When I sent $5.00 to the county clerk to get my birth certificate, they didn't send me the original out of the vault, they sent me a copy. I agree with AnimusRex, jumped-up-Jesus-on-a-pogo-stick, how the fuck does providing copies of documents to Interpol translate into the rovcation of the Freedom of Information Act? It boils down to this: If a Republican administration started selling babies for heating fuel (providing they aren't aborted babies) no one would care but if a Democatic administration provided free deadwood from National Forests for heating fuel it would be the ruin of our free society. Carry on.

DarkSteven -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 5:51:00 AM)
The real issue here isn't the Executive Order that was signed, it's the fact that Executive Orders exist in the first place. They're nothing more than a way that the President can create law without it being subject to Congressional oversight and approval.

pahunkboy -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 6:12:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven The real issue here isn't the Executive Order that was signed, it's the fact that Executive Orders exist in the first place. They're nothing more than a way that the President can create law without it being subject to Congressional oversight and approval. you said it- and why are there SO MANY of them.

rockspider -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 6:41:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened When I sent $5.00 to the county clerk to get my birth certificate, they didn't send me the original out of the vault, they sent me a copy. I agree with AnimusRex, jumped-up-Jesus-on-a-pogo-stick, how the fuck does providing copies of documents to Interpol translate into the rovcation of the Freedom of Information Act? It boils down to this: If a Republican administration started selling babies for heating fuel (providing they aren't aborted babies) no one would care but if a Democatic administration provided free deadwood from National Forests for heating fuel it would be the ruin of our free society. Carry on. LOL. Sweety, i think you hit the nail right on the head. Interpol is not a sinister world power seeking organisation, but a framework set up to assist local policeforces in combating international crime. Sadly enough it doesn't function very well, mostly because of the bureaucratic wrangles involved in the issues. It is understaffed, underfunded and has very limited powers in the countries it operates.

popeye1250 -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 10:38:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven The real issue here isn't the Executive Order that was signed, it's the fact that Executive Orders exist in the first place. They're nothing more than a way that the President can create law without it being subject to Congressional oversight and approval. Steven, that's correct but it's only "law" (if) they enforce it and (if) people obey it. If the American People simply ignore it there's not a lot that can be done about it is there? In Massachusetts where I grew up they have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country but loads of people carry guns anyway and always have and I'm not talking about drug dealers or criminals. If I were on jury duty in Mass. and someone was charged by the "State" with carrying a gun "illegally" it'd be an automatic "not guilty" from me. I've lived in Myrtle Beach, S.C. for five years now and I have yet to be called for jury duty but if I were bank robbers would get an automatic "not guilty" from me. And how many prosecutors would be willing to charge someone based on an "executive order" that most people aren't even (aware of) much less finding a jury that would convict? Sure, "ignorance of the law" is no excuse but those "laws" have to be written and published, "in the light of day." As a citizen, Taxpayer and veteran I wouldn't convict anyone based on "secrecy" of laws or especially "directives" by "public officials." As I've said before our government exists to "serve" The People not to try to dictate to us or order us around. We had a rebellion in the late 1700's because of such things. To my way of thinking "executive orders" are more like "directives" for employees in the govt. Good luck to any president who thinks otherwise.

kittinSol -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 1:14:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 If I were on jury duty in Mass. and someone was charged by the "State" with carrying a gun "illegally" it'd be an automatic "not guilty" from me. I've lived in Myrtle Beach, S.C. for five years now and I have yet to be called for jury duty but if I were bank robbers would get an automatic "not guilty" from me. You DO realise, don't you, that these statements would automatically disqualify you from being selected to appear on the jury [8\|] ?

rulemylife -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 1:25:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Steven, that's correct but it's only "law" (if) they enforce it and (if) people obey it. If the American People simply ignore it there's not a lot that can be done about it is there? In Massachusetts where I grew up they have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country but loads of people carry guns anyway and always have and I'm not talking about drug dealers or criminals. If I were on jury duty in Mass. and someone was charged by the "State" with carrying a gun "illegally" it'd be an automatic "not guilty" from me. I've lived in Myrtle Beach, S.C. for five years now and I have yet to be called for jury duty but if I were bank robbers would get an automatic "not guilty" from me. And how many prosecutors would be willing to charge someone based on an "executive order" that most people aren't even (aware of) much less finding a jury that would convict? Sure, "ignorance of the law" is no excuse but those "laws" have to be written and published, "in the light of day." So, let me see if I understand this. Because you support gun rights anyone using a gun in a crime would get a not guilty vote if you were on a jury? Would that include this guy too, or are you just singling out bank robbers? Final Words Of Virginia Tech Massacre Killer ...

Kirata -> RE: Interpool got immunity to consitution? (12/29/2009 2:18:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol You DO realise, don't you, that these statements would automatically disqualify you from being selected to appear on the jury [8\|] ? There is always method in madness. [:D] K.

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