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Sanity -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 7:26:49 AM)


Space storms, sometimes, during high sunspot activity. But Earth storms? No, they are not a problem.

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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

Or ... possibly ... amongst the hi de hi scrapers and such in a big ole city where your average GPS user needs one to respond rather more quickly than they often do.

Or ... possibly ... in inclement and or extreme weather JUST when you need to rely on it.

Don't get on my back ... I use and have used these aids and will continue to do so ... but I know that they are just that ... aids. It ain't fair to NOT point out that (just as maps go out of date) they're fallible and should NOT be followed with 100% confidence. That's all.

Pirate





kdsub -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 11:48:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Actually.... you can download all the maps you'll need from your laptop onto your handheld GPS. Your GPS also has a compass feature that always shows true north, and its got a lot of other really neat features as well.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Really...lol that software is to print PAPER maps to be used with a compass....lol



That is the whole point...they first mention printed maps...because as this thread is about GPS do not always work...Try taking your map loaded GPS into heavy forest cover or deep canyon or hill country. Then tell me it will always work…If you say yes then I will not believe you know what you are talking about.

Butch




Sanity -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 11:58:28 AM)


I suppose that if you try hard enough you can find a few places on the planet where you won't get a perfect signal, but the map portion will still work. If you're going down into a steep box canyon odds are good you'll know where you're at in the first place, and how to get back out.

As for heavy forest cover:


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Find a 12 Channel Parallel GPS Receiver System:If you will be using a GPS receiver in all types of terrain and potentially under dense tree canopy, you should always purchase a 12 channel parallel receiver. Remember, the more channels or satellites a receiver can monitor, the greater the accuracy you will get from your unit. Also, I highly recommend you include a Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) which is a data correction process that applies the proper correction to data going into your receiver.

http://forestry.about.com/od/mappinggis/p/GPS_essentials.htm




Or you could just find a small clearing.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub
That is the whole point...they first mention printed maps...because as this thread is about GPS do not always work...Try taking your map loaded GPS into heavy forest cover or deep canyon or hill country. Then tell me it will always work…If you say yes then I will not believe you know what you are talking about.

Butch





chiaThePet -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 3:40:21 PM)


In a stunning update, federal authorities are now reporting that the Rhoad's GPS
system had actually been hijacked and rewired into a PS2 which was being
manned by a neighbor child hidden in the couples trunk. Identified as six year
old Falcon Heene, a quiet impish tyke, who when questioned about the alleged
takeover, simply muttered, "Um, we did this for the show", then proceeded to
regurgitate on interviewer Katie Couric.

chia* (the pet)





Sanity -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 3:59:11 PM)



Butch, did you write this article?


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GPS-led travel goes amiss; 3 Ore. parties rescued


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - In a holiday hurry, Jeramie Griffin piled his family into the car and asked his new GPS for the quickest way from his home in the Willamette Valley across the Cascade Range.

It said he could shave 40 minutes off the time of the roundabout route he usually takes to the in-laws' place. Following the directions, he and his wife headed east on Christmas Eve and into the mountains, turning off a state highway onto local roads and finally getting stuck in the snow.

They had no cell phone service and ran short on formula for their 11-month-old daughter. After taking exploratory hikes, trying to dig out and spending the night in their car, the distraught couple filmed a goodbye video.

Like two other parties of holiday travelers who followed GPS directions smack into Oregon snowbanks, Griffin and family were eventually rescued. But their peril left law enforcement officers and travel advisers perplexed about drivers who occasionally set aside common sense when their GPS systems suggest a shortcut.

"Did everybody just get these for Christmas?" asked Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger, leader of one rescue effort. In Griffin's case, in fact, the GPS device was a Christmas gift, from his parents. He used it for the first time to plan the trip to Central Oregon.

It's one he'd made many times before, following a route travelers have found reliable since at least the days of the Oregon Trail. But, he said, a shortcut the GPS device suggested was attractive.

"We were in such a hurry to get over there, we programmed it in the driveway and went ahead," he said. In hindsight, he said, he should have double checked the route against a paper map - and packed extra formula for the baby. "We would be better prepared for the unknown," he said.

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In Oregon, GPS systems can direct drivers to thousands of miles of Forest Service logging roads that lace the state's mountain ranges. In the winter, they are often plugged with snow.

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But, he said, it isn't as if people have just started getting lost in the woods. "In yesteryear, it was people not knowing how to read their maps," he said.

Evinger said the statewide task force on search and rescue he chairs will take up the question of GPS-led trips next week. He said it probably would focus on educational efforts rather than legislation.

Law enforcement officials and travel experts have a variety of recommendations for people who use GPS in the winter or in strange territory:

Use an old-fashioned paper map as a backup. Pack a survival kit for the winter. Configure your GPS for "highways only," or a similar setting, so that you don't get directed to byways in the winter. Top off your gasoline tank, and charge your cell phone batteries before going into remote areas. Pay attention to the weather.

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"You can't follow GPS blindly," said Hyde of the national AAA.

Says Dodds: "If you are following your GPS and all of a sudden you find yourself in the middle of nowhere with snow all around, don't go there. Turn around."


Full article at: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100101/D9CUTBK81.html




DrkJourney -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 4:13:04 PM)

I'm always cautious when using GPS.  I scan out to make sure that it is as least sending me in the right direction (basically).  If I'm going on a trip I always print out directions (have to check those to), in addition to using GPS.

I almost missed my own wedding because my husband instisted on following the GPS on his iphone.  It led us astray twice.  I knew the general direction and I called to double check to make sure they hadn't moved.  This thing was sending us far far away and in the opposite direction of where we were supposed to be.  The only way we got there on time was that I had to take the GPS away from him and "tell" him what it said (yeah I had to lie but I got us there on time didn't I?)  Thank goodness his does not have voice...LOL

As Stella said, it's a great tool, but you gotta use ye ole brain as well.   It did do a great job on keeping me on the straight and narrow when I had to go to Mississippi...but a little research along with the GPS made me feel a whole lot better in it's directions.




kdsub -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 4:36:17 PM)

Not unless you have a compass... Your GPS map is useless… Of course unless you know how to read the map and match landmarks…you really don’t need a compass with a good map and skill…unless you are in Missouri or a place without good landmarks where every direction looks like the other.. You just have not spent much time in rough country...There are many places a GPS will not get a signal...small clearing or no...Try Geocashing or some orienteering sometime in a heavy forest.

But we are being kind of silly arguing over this...take a hike in Missouri with me sometime with your GPS...don't worry I will save you....[:D]

Or you me…my back is killing me.

Butch




JonnieBoy -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 4:44:47 PM)

Sounds to me like you've got yer head screwed on.

Pirate




Sanity -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 7:03:30 PM)


I've been orienteering since I was a teenager. I was also a forward observer in the regular army and I've been a fire lookout for the forest service, so I can read a topographical map about as good as anyone. I've also got oil lamps and a brace and bit, and I know how to use them, too.

Come to Idaho sometime if you want to see what real wild country is. We've got more primitive wilderness here than in Missouri's got state, probably. The back country is awesome here, and I get lost deliberately sometimes just for the freedom. Its like turning off the cell phone, its liberating.

Yeah, arguing over this is kind of silly, you're right, but its fun, and no hard feelings I hope.

Happy New Year.


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Not unless you have a compass... Your GPS map is useless… Of course unless you know how to read the map and match landmarks…you really don’t need a compass with a good map and skill…unless you are in Missouri or a place without good landmarks where every direction looks like the other.. You just have not spent much time in rough country...There are many places a GPS will not get a signal...small clearing or no...Try Geocashing or some orienteering sometime in a heavy forest.

But we are being kind of silly arguing over this...take a hike in Missouri with me sometime with your GPS...don't worry I will save you....[:D]

Or you me…my back is killing me.

Butch





JonnieBoy -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 7:59:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I've been orienteering since I was a teenager. I was also a forward observer in the regular army and I've been a fire lookout for the forest service, so I can read a topographical map about as good as anyone. I've also got oil lamps and a brace and bit, and I know how to use them, too.


You know a fair bit about what you're talking of then ... fair play to ye.

Pirate




kdsub -> RE: Couple stranded 3 days after GPS leads them astray (1/1/2010 9:13:02 PM)

I'd love to Sanity... Sounds like we would have a blast competing… then back at the camp drinking beer arguing politics…ahhh what a vacation!

I'm a Missouri state Rogain champion in the 6 and 12-hour competitions mixed and second in the 24 hour... I am also one of the original participants of Geocashing. I have place many of the most celebrated extreme cashes placed…took real balls to reach them…lol. If you have not tried it...pick a few close to home...take the kids with you and a few little treasures... Enter your adventures finding the cache in the log book…the family will love it.

Also a trail builder of the Ozark trails here in Missouri. Hard damn work

In the state Rogain competitions we had participants for all over the world…including the western US. They all stated Missouri was the hardest they had ever participated in because of the terrain…Up 300 down 300 over and over…no large distant references for map reading. Few catching features... Heavy forest and dense brush full of blackberry brambles and poison ivy...Not just flies or mosquitoes or ticks or spiders, or snakes but all at the same time…so not so sure Utah would be any harder.

But makes no difference now…too many lumbar fusions and total hip replacements.

Butch




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