Amaros
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Does anyone understand that I don't defend every moment of the film "Loose Change"? As a matter of fact, I think of it as comprised of mostly disinformation that sullies the more serious information that is out there. But there are some good bits in the film nonetheless.
Further, I do not hold to any "conspiracy theories" - that's just what people call things when they don't want to talk about something rationally but still want to shut down the conversation for others.
Wulfchyld: You can believe anything you want. Why should I care? Just don't tell me that the 9-11 Commission's report is the final word and that everything is settled. I have shown here and elsewhere how that is simply not so. It's not settled for me; if it's settled to your satisfaction then why are you even involved in this thread?
There may or may not turn out to be more to the story - the debate meanwhile, is obscuring the fact that there was a distinct and well documented conspiricy to shelve investigations into Al Qaeda, including financial connections to Saudi Arabia, and the possible Involvement of Iran and the Taliban with AQ.
We were, in fact, in the middle of negotiations with the Taliban just prior to 911 concerning the route of a pipeline that was intended to service the Caspian reserves - at that time, it was believed that there were significant reserves of oil to be found beneath the Caspian Sea, as well as signifcant reserves of natural gas in various deposits along the coast.
A pipeline was needed to service these reserves, and two routes were under consideration - one of them went through Iran, another through Afghanistan, and to make a long story short, Iran was considered too unstable, and the Afghanistan route was the favored one. Still, negotiations with both Iran an Afghanistan were in full swing on the eve of 9-11.
For this reason, the administration put the Al Qaeda investigation on the backburner - then AG John Ashcroft went so far as to state he didn't "want to hear another word about Al Qaeda".
At the same time, and for much the same reasons, the Saudi connections were being similarly soft pedaled, the Bushes in fact, were and are business partners with OBL family, who were large investors in the Carlyle group and other ventures.
This went on under Clinton too, the Saudis have long gotten preferred treatment, but under Bush, investigations into AQ were actively suppressed, and it is likely that this was a significant contributing factor in the failure to detect the 911 plot, in spite of a great deal of evidence pointing to a planned attack, specifically using aircraft.
There certainly hasn't been a repeat since, and I'm reluctant to attribute this fact to the current administrations acumen and intelligence, or the Pariot act - it's just people being allowed to do their jobs for a change.
This is conspiricy too, and it has nothing to do with Black Helicopters or false mustaches, it's $1200 suits and cocktails.
The story of John O'Neil is quite illuminating, he saw 911 coming from a long way off, and wasn't shy about telling anybody.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/020114fa_FACT1
Point is, there is plenty of conspiricy here, only for some reason everyone seems to want to focus on unprovable suspicions - as long as this is the case, debate on difficult policy decisions can be stalled.
Oh, and guess what - in there very midst of the Afghanistan invasion (remember that Afghanistan was also consdered unstable, ony slightly less so than Iran), it was quietly released that the Caspian reserves were mostly nonexistant: pipeline plans were quickly scrapped, and within a few months we were invading Iraq.
< Message edited by Amaros -- 5/4/2006 8:19:20 AM >
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