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tazzygirl -> RE: "Those who will not be named" At least by President Obama (12/30/2009 4:48:56 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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I think, first, we should stay on topic, which was terrorists, with a lead in to Gitmo.
If I did that - I would have ignored you completely since the topic was the President's response to the attack on December 25th. You brought up the closing of GITMO, but I won't apologize for having the courtesy of not ignoring the question; that just the way I am.
Gitmo came from your reply # 28.
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lets be real here, we are talking about a piece or paper drafted to create our form of government how many years ago? Who would have thought then that this could happen. Hell, there weren't even thinking of flying then, beyond strapping on a pair of wings. That "piece of paper" wasn't drafted to create our form of government it was created to document the laws FOR the government formed. Until recently, States didn't get any form of 'special dispensation' granted to them if their Senator would vote yes for a Bill - that is completely new territory.
On your other point - Miranda Rights went into effect as a result of a Supreme Court decision made in 1966, people WERE flying then - they even had TV!
And they are more complicated than most realize. Not to mention, many of the detainees have had their miranda rights read to them. But, onto another thought here, and possibly you could answer this.. maybe not.
Do we now start giving the miranda rights on the battlefields?
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I, like everyone else, saw the pictures and read the actions concerning Gitmo. I didn't assume I actually tried to find some "pictures" and documentation of "actions" concerning Gitmo. The worst I could find was the accusation of prisoners that the quality of food and the Koran being placed in the lavatory. There were no pictures of 'Water-boarding' but I don't think that anyone is representing it didn't happen. Perhaps you were thinking of the 'Abu Ghraib' pictures?
You may want to look up the incident involving a Army Sgt. 1st Class Sean Baker. The pictures of Abu Ghraib where bad enough, and no, i have yet to see any about waterboarding. These are more typical of what they constitute as "light" abuse, bloodied lips, naked, ect.
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Say what you wish, its in the best interests of national security, further evidenced by the one's who were released by Bush and are currently attacking once again. What is in the "best interests of national security"; keeping GITMO open and the prisoners incarcerated or following the Bush example releasing more who can provide other "isolated examples" of however you want to refer to what happened on the airliner going into Detroit?
Neither, Closing gitmo and moving them to american soil. However, i do not agree with civilian trials.
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