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MasterG2kTR -> 1909 (12/30/2009 12:46:56 PM)

THE  YEAR 1909  

This  will boggle your mind, I know it did mine!
The year is 1909.
One hundred years ago.
What a difference a century makes!
Here are some statistics for the Year 1909:

The  average life expectancy was  47 years.

Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.


Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.


There  were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles

Of  paved roads.


The  maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.


The  tallest structure in the world was the
Eiffel   Tower
 
The  average wage in 1909 was 22 cents per hour.

The  average worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

A  competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year,
A  dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per  year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per  year.

More  than 95 percent of all births took place at  
HOME.  

Ninety  percent of all doctors had
NO  COLLEGE EDUCATION!  
Instead, they attended  so-called medical schools, many of which
 
Were condemned in the  press AND the government as 'substandard.


Sugar  cost four cents a pound.


Eggs  were fourteen cents a dozen.


Coffee  was fifteen cents a pound.


Most  women only washed their hair once a month, and used

Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.


Canada
 passed a law that  prohibited poor people from
Entering into their  country for any reason.


Five  leading causes of death were:
 
1. Pneumonia and influenza
2. Tuberculosis
3. Diarrhea
4. Heart disease 
5. Stroke


The  American flag had 45 stars.


The  population of
Las  Vegas,  Nevada, was  only 30!!!!

Crossword  puzzles, canned beer, and iced tea
  Hadn't  been invented yet.

There was no Mother's Day or Father's Day.

Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write and  

Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high  school.
                                                                  
Marijuana,  heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local  corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, 'Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy  to the mind,
regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect  guardian of health'
 
( Shocking? DUH! )


Eighteen percent of households had at least  one full-time servant or domestic help.

There were about 230 reported murders in the ENTIRE
U.S.A.!
Plus one more sad thought; 95 percent of the taxes we have now did not exist in 1909

I am now going to forward this to someone else without typing it myself.  
From there, it will be sent to others all over the  
WORLD  - all in a matter of seconds!

Try to imagine what it may be like in another 100 years.

IT  STAGGERS THE  MIND




Termyn8or -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 12:35:49 AM)

Hmmm. Just offhand I would say that the base tax rate will be 140%. Average income will be $0. Police response time will be about two days. Even rental apartments will be sold like condos. The GDP will be $0. The national debt will be either forgiven or defaulted. The poverty rate will get an emergency adjustment once 85% of the people fall into it. There will be seven rich people in the US. Everything will be made by the "We Say So" corporation.

Everything you buy will break down the first day you buy it and be unrepairable. To buy anything you will have to sign an organ donor card so they can extract their pound of flesh because you won't have anything else. But your value will be determined at birth with compatibility tests to see if your internal organs are saleable. Your kids will be wards of the state upon conception.

And you won't even be able to kill yourself because metal silverware is too dangerous to leave in the hands of the commoner. People won't even know what metal is, let alone a gun. You will be imprisoned for ten years for hurting someone's feelings, and if it can be defined as a racial slur the sentence is threefold, much like the hate crime laws.

Certain foods will be taxed heavily prompting you to eat only approved foods, and this will make people sick. Then if you have anything at all they will take it from you for care in a nursing home.

Oh, and BTW, one word about the average life expectancy, don't you believe it. The lack of cures caused the average to go down, as well as people migrating to cities and spreading their germs among those of others. Many also died from injuries that were not repairable back then. If not for these factors the life expectancy might be 120+ years. People, if they lived that long, were fucking and working and everything into their eighties. Prove me wrong. Most who lived a long life back then needed little or no medical care. In fact how about a statistic on just how many people who did not fall to one of the pitfalls, had NEVER seen a doctor in their 87 or so years ? Got one ?

Given all that I have read, seen and heard in the last 49 years, I believe that people in Biblical times may well have lived to be hundreds of years old. The planet was newer and more fertile. And now, just like the plants we eat today, it is not so. WE are not getting the fertilizer we need. Our end of life experiences involve lawyers to keep nursing homes from taking the family fortune. How many nursing home residents were there back then ? Back then you keeled over if something hadn't killed you yet. And then they buried you, that was it. Fine.

Others died in wars and such, and still others had an adventurous propensity. Between all this, it lowered the average significantly. Argue against that.

And if you do so successfully, thanks for the extra two years that a century has brought to me for my life. This way I can absorb more pollutioon and additives in the food, poison in the water and doctors that have no clue about how to really heal.

Maybe I should see if there is a time machine in the basement. I seem to have just about everything else, who knows ? Just fire it up and set it to one century back and I'll take my chances.

T




mefisto69 -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 4:58:33 AM)

considering the current state of public education, we're making a return to that 2 of out 10 adult illiterates quite quickly.




Jeffff -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 5:03:54 AM)

Don't you people read? We will all be dead. The Mayan calender stops at 2012.

Fucking Mayans!

To be honest, I am a bit worried. Yesterday I looked at my "Get Fuzzy" desk calander.........
There was nothing after today!


ApocalypseDom





Termyn8or -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 6:13:58 AM)

Being born in 1960, I am one of the few in my age bracket who can say that I am not the product of the school system. I detested school, it was nothing like a learning environment for me, save for a very few things. Note that I am not agoraphobic, but maybe I was back then. I think it's a stage that many go through, and the causes are as well known as the location of my philosopher's stone.

Perhaps a big part of it was the regimentation. Of course some of it is required to maintain the atmosphere for the inclined, but I think it was largely unnecessary. There is one thing about me though, even in my tender young years I could spot indoctrination a mile away. "Ma, don't leave me with those people", "Why, are they hurting you in some way ?", "No, they are just too fucking religious". At five I saw the futility of pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth, and resented the fact that this was recited every day. By age seven I saw it for what it was. I can't swear to this, but I don't believe I have ever recited the pledge of allegiance in it's entirety.

By sixth grade I was shipped off to a different school for "enriched" education, which was just about as boring. When that didn't work I was transferred to CULC, which was a community based sort of OJT program where students were encouraged to take jobs cheap for the experience. This was their biggest mistake if they were looking for a convert. They had already poisoned the well.

I don't mean to hijack, but education is the key to freedom as well as control. It's almost as if I could see this from the day I was born, but that is of course, highly subjective. It was more subjective long ago when it was still fresh in my mind. Among my earliest experiences were being asked to "make" a capital A on the blackboard. I did so and was told that it was backwards. I told the teacher that it was impossible for it to be backwards because it is symmetrical. My next directive was to sit down and STFU. In form of course when I was asked to count as high as I could, the response was similar. I was asked to count as high as I could. I asked the teacher "Are you sure ?". With an affirmative answer I proceeded and as asked I did sit down and STFU again. (and I only got up to about 150 something)

So, a while later I wanted to know how to do long division. The response was "We aren't on that yet". Now do a search for my posts and tell me what you think my response was like. That's OK though, I found some older kid to show me.

Now a long time ago people aspired to send their kids to school, and this is where the relevance comes in. They did not necessarily aspire to send them to the best schools, at one time it was a group of Parents who decided that they were going to put up a dandy schoolhouse and hire up a teacher. Talk about community standards being of prime importance.

Back then, at least the students KNEW that this was at their Parents' wishes and that they were lucky to go. With subsidized, mandatory public education this was all out the window. It was taken out of local hands and commandeered by the government. In time, instead of supporting the schools, the Parents not only lost faith in the system, started bucking against it. Now they can't swat or spank or they get sued, little Johnny can't read so it's Uncle Sam's fault.

Look, if your kid can't read by the time he enters kindergarden, you have failed. That is it. The methods used in an institutionalized setting will never equal the efficacy of personal instruction, especially that of a Parent. At school now they generally learn to read phonetically, and that results in mistake that SHOW, BIG TIME to those who are truly educated. The difference between two, to and too too. Which witch is which ? The total disregard for the fact that license is a singular even though it ends in the S sound, and the irksome fact that data are plural. The singular form is datum.

And it doesn't end there. Spell check is no hope if scrutinized by the truly educated. "I am putting out a statewide warrant for YOU arrest". No spell check will catch that as far as I know. There is no hiding it. There is no way around it. I see things like that and I know your limitations already, at least one of them. You are only semi-literate. You can read and write and might have outstanding penmanship, but that is no substitute. Think of all the more subtle meanings in all that has been written throughout history that are lost on deaf minds due to this.

Even before CULC, which I got thrown out of, my experience with the system got interesting. I feigned illness as much as I could, to stay home and read. Later I figured out a way to cut school for a long time and not get caught, but even before then I had cut so much it was ridiculous. Then they send me to summer school. Simple matter, just never go, not even once.

In an argument with the principal I asserted that my test scores were fine, she asserted that I only passed because I went to summer school. The joke was on her, I didn't go. I was enrolled, but that does not a warm body make.

Schools at one time I suspect were places where you learned the basics, and creativity was left up to you. Now they want to indoctrinate you and guide you, which is not their job. No wonder I had to start studying psychology at age 12, it was to cure myself ! Any direction of creativity is stifling. It is not their place nor their charge to deal with it, just to implant the tools in your mind.

While I have to admit that there were some good times (other than socialization). At one point I was a math tutor. I said something like "They don't understand that ? I could explain it in minutes". With foot in mouth I was sent to the cloakroom with those who did not understand the subject. So I found out that it took more than a few minutes. But what thery were doing wasn't working. What I did, did.

In my view, the educator should have the ability to adapt to different students, but now it is all cookie cutter technology. The people's enamouration of structured schools probably arose from aspirations drawn from the elites. The impression that their kids could go farther in life with it than without it. But like many things it did not work in practice, but instead of being abandoned for a better way they kept on doing what didn't work. That's human nature.

Now school is free mostly, yet some Parents opt to home school. To me it is no wonder at all.

To evade being labelled a hijacker I will stop now. I leave you with this : These words are written by a tenth grade dropout who barely spent any time in school at all. You can't say my education came from school because I was never there.

And the hijack part, slow down before opening up on me. Education is the key to both success and failure, but that doesn't necessarily mean formal schooling. These changes in how things "are done" is the root cause of many many of society's ills today. Argue with that.

T




Hillwilliam -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 8:15:32 AM)

NO CANNED BEER?????!!!!!!!!!!





Musicmystery -> RE: 1909 (12/31/2009 9:35:12 AM)

quote:

Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write


And today, 100 years later....

14 Percent of U.S. Adults Can't Read

That's one of every seven people.

Me? I was born illiterate...




Termyn8or -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 9:15:17 AM)

So the net result of 100 years of history is that we went from 80% literacy to 86% ?

Incredible, such a massive advance in human kind in only a century. Got a quick question about that. How do we categorize those engineers who cannot tie their own shoelaces ? The ones who decided new cars do not need ashtrays ? You used to get one lighter, and you still do for whatever reason, and then three other lighter type outlets for things like cellphones and MP3 player chargers and such.

The people who are so close to reality that the don't realize that people who don't even smoke still use those ashtrays. It may be for mixed nuts or spare change, it is none of my business anyway. It boils down to a place to put things. Ironically you find more shit in the ashtray in a non-smoker's car than in a smoker's car. A smoker will empty his ashtray for fear of fire, the non-smoker has no such concern. A smoker's kit is a poor substitute. While everybody likes having little compartments and cubbyholes in which to stash those important yet useless items, it just ain't the same if it is not somehow embedded in the car.

In he meantime, the Buick Roadmasters from the mid nineties still had the old style headlight switch. You pull the knob just like the old days. So with $130,000 big trucks, tractors actually. They are actually charging you for old technology.

Let's not go too deeply into what you can't buy now. I want an amp with a regular knob for a volume control. I am sick of these buttons. See I try to keep the sound level at max without audible distortion. This means to get the volume level just right. These up and down buttons just don't cut it.

And fake knobs, as cheap as they can be on a manufacturing level are annoying. My car is like that. I take someone to the store, I want to hear radio, yes it is rare but it happens. I turn off the car and immediately turn the key to accesory and I just want the song to continue. Noooooooo, it has to ramp up in volume to show me how greatly advanced technolgy is. I don't know about you, but I am sick of the race, that is if I can swing that key to accessory without causing the radio to reset. Why does it even remember the station if it's going to do that shit ? It has a CD player but I'll be damnned if I'll ever slide one of my bootlegs in it. I somehow expect the voice of Bill Gates saying "Windows Media Player Ten has encountered an error, code : 000000012, no copyright license available ". Funny HA HA, but I am almost serious.

But I ramble because there is something that nobody hardly realizes. I know it because I know the biz very well, but without that background this trend is very hard to discern. However, noone in the know will argue with what comes next.

Technology was invented and progresses for one reason only. To make or save money. The tact switches or optical encoder behind your volume control are there because they are cheaper than a real potentiometer. Really good high end amps still use a potentiometer, what does that tell you ? That snazzy digital tuner in your TV is cheaper to build, including the on screen display technology and the ability to seek out and program itself to the available channels is actually cheaper than building the old crusty turret type TV tuner. The ECM in your car is alot cheaper than all those hoses and all that shit that used to be required to use a regular carberator in a car.

In short, even though it is better, it is only there because it became cheaper. Why is AC standard on so many cars ? it is cheaper to simply build it into all of them from the git go than to have it be an option. I think cars sold in Montana are an exception, it used to be illegal to sell cars there with AC. I wonder how much extra they charge to omit it.

At the bottom line in business, you give the minimum and charge whatever the market will bear. That is one thing that hasn't changed much since 1909. Ford didn't produce cars at a low cost for altruistic reasons, in fact his buddy Hitler probably held more altruistic values as they practically concurrently developed the technology to bring you cars, to you the people. But in Ford's case there was nothing philanthropic about it at all, he wanted to make money. And fuck all this Nazi shit, like "More cars in the hands of Volks could be used to run over Jews", shit like that. All of this was for money.

Farnswoth and Baird invented TV practically simultaneously and the were very bright individuals. and I remember my younger days. When I got into that inventive mode, my motive was indeed profit. I could reinvent the ivory backscratcher or TV, which do I do ? Simple question; simple answer.

Let's move on to other wonderful advances, like the moonshot(s). Get it through your head, they thought they were going to find something valuable there.

As much as I may deride greed, I am not stupid. Without it we would not have many of the things we now take for granted. That is, and always has been a fact.

T




DesFIP -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 9:35:19 AM)

The oldest known recipe for iced tea dates from 1879. It is widely considered to have been popularized however in 1904 at the St Louis World's Fair, coincidentally the same place the ice cream cone was created.

Edit for typo




Sanity -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 9:37:29 AM)


Some people just aren't wired for reading, they might be undiagnosed dyslexics or have other problems. Some are just rebellious. I have a friend who can fix anything, he is one hell of a mechanic. But he can't read. Doesn't mean they're not informed or uneducated, such people are probably why God invented TVs.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write


And today, 100 years later....

14 Percent of U.S. Adults Can't Read

That's one of every seven people.

Me? I was born illiterate...





Musicmystery -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 10:06:50 AM)

I occasionally see college students who can't read---they COULD have, but took a perverse pride in being able to scam their way through without reading: "I haven't read a book since the third grade!" These people have severely limited their options, and out of childishness.

Plenty of dyslexics attend college, and with a few reasonable accommodations, do just fine. Some of these are serious students. Some of these use their diagnosed disability to skirt requirements and slip through. Those latter aren't helping themselves. But you can't help people determined to play themselves.

And sure, literacy isn't the end all, and I've known excellent workers who were illiterate. However...once Carrier laid them off, they were fucked. Now they can't even get a job at McDonalds.

Helping these people achieve basic functional literacy should be a priority.





MasterJeff11 -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 3:37:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I occasionally see college students who can't read---they COULD have, but took a perverse pride in being able to scam their way through without reading: "I haven't read a book since the third grade!" These people have severely limited their options, and out of childishness.

Plenty of dyslexics attend college, and with a few reasonable accommodations, do just fine. Some of these are serious students. Some of these use their diagnosed disability to skirt requirements and slip through. Those latter aren't helping themselves. But you can't help people determined to play themselves.

And sure, literacy isn't the end all, and I've known excellent workers who were illiterate. However...once Carrier laid them off, they were fucked. Now they can't even get a job at McDonalds.

Helping these people achieve basic functional literacy should be a priority.




Agreed.
I recieved assistance myself and went on to do genetics research. If I never received assistnace I would of just been another joe.




heartcream -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 5:52:31 PM)

Jefff, you are interpreting the Mayan calendar incorrectly.

It is hard to explain, unusual to try and understand. The flames lick air eye-rolling around me as I type the words 'Mayan Calendar'.

I do not claim to have total understanding and wisdom about the Mayan Calendar but this is what I got right now.

Think of it like music. There are Rhythms which are vastly dissimilar from each other, but yeah they really fit together, they make the whole piece Mind Blowing.

We are coming out of Rhythm A, I 'll call it.

We are moving into Rhythm B.

Rhythm A's make-up is Eliptical Movement. Swinging and Arcing out from the Centre in a gorgeous Egg Shape for like however many years, I dont know the specifics but a good long time going around, and through, the Horse Track of Creation in a big highway of ellipses. All the Planets. When they talk about Planets Converging, it is like Ellipses Meeting.

Now the next part is important to consider. The next part, Rhythm B is the part that so far in the History of Creation hasnt gotten it quite right, the thing hasnt come together, this part of the Choir falls to pieces each and every time. Hence the 'Ages'. Ice, Dark, blah, despair, ruination, in a very Unhappy Disjointed Rhythm. Meant to be amazing but so far it has yet to ever do the thing Rhythm B has meant to do. The Song has not been Played properly yet.

Rhythm B is really the Alignment of the Planets. We all arrive in the Parking Lot Together, the Horses Stable, and Chill for however many years. Less years than Rhythm A. We arent Out Into The Night the way we were. We have day and night, our Sun still shines and sets, the Moon still orbits us and that sort of thing but we come Steady Under a Header Star, I'll call it. Alcyone. It has the similar effect that our Sun has, in that it directly affects our Cute Little Planet. Like the Sun, it is a Star.

The Planets in our Solar System Come to a Halt, so to speak and what happens is something like, that last Planet out there, the Header Star shines on it and has a direct ffect on that Planet. That Planet naturally vibrates, radiates and the Waves touch on the Planet next in line and so on, down to our furry little asses. It will make a difference. It will make a difference.

We are not going to blow up. The Earth is not over. Think about it. The Earth is the Center of Creation in many ways. The center of the Earth is not molten lava, swirling hot temperatures ready to pop open like a toxic nuclear ejaculation. That is global warming. Like Al G defined it so well, Our planet with a fever.

In the center is an Iron Crystal Core. A Magnet. A freaking Magnet.

Things gon change.

The thing to consider here that is so crucial here is this; so far in the History of Creation the Planets have not yet ever achieved Alignment. We were always out of sync. Always. Pretty heavy considering the kind of history we have endured, still do.

Without the Planets being Calibrated, the thing that was meant to occur never did. Yet. It will this time. It will, it will, it will! It Will. By freaking 2012 we will be Hauling Ass Into Place with the rest of our Planets and it will affect us deeply, vastly and immortally. It will be a good thing. Early days. The actual aligning has been going on for some time, you can imagine after swinging around the axis for so long it takes some maneuvering and the like to get us all jes right.

Yup

The Mayan Calendar is a Rhthym B Calendar. Knowledge of how Our System Operates is not new news. Having the System Up To Speed is very much so.

Listen to the Music.





sunshinemiss -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 5:54:16 PM)

I would like to see the source for this list.  Is it accurate?  Did you check it with Snopes?




AnimusRex -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 5:55:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Helping these people achieve basic functional literacy should be a priority.


Especially since reading is becoming MORE, not less required for operating even the simplest things, or gaining even the most basic information- Matt Yglesias has a bit showing we get more information by reading today than we did even in 1980:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/12/the-news-business-crisis-of-productivity.php




heartcream -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 6:30:38 PM)

Okay yeah, The Mayan Calendar you speak of here, the round one is the one that ends 2012. There is another one, looks different, more linear for the next cycle.




pahunkboy -> RE: 1909 (1/1/2010 10:57:45 PM)

Youns KNOW better then to ENCOURAGE my doom factor.  !!  foot stomp!

lol.

I doubt that things will be rosey in 100 years.

But just maybe a smart brain can save us.  

If we are indeed at peak oil- there IS NO NEXT 100 years. /snip






Termyn8or -> RE: 1909 (1/2/2010 12:12:11 AM)

Look Man, put this to rest. How the fuck stooooooopid is this ? OK some guy can't write a calendar beyond a certain date so now the world is going to end ?

Gimme a break. If anyone thinks that they should have some form of limited access here, which prohibits them from contacting anyone with real gray matter.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: 1909 (1/2/2010 12:15:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Look Man, put this to rest. How the fuck stooooooopid is this ? OK some guy can't write a calendar beyond a certain date so now the world is going to end ?

Gimme a break. If anyone thinks that they should have some form of limited access here, which prohibits them from contacting anyone with real gray matter.

T


Alex Jones is doing a movie on 2012 not being the end.  I will let you know when it is out.




LadiTrukDriver -> RE: 1909 (1/2/2010 12:45:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Don't you people read? We will all be dead. The Mayan calender stops at 2012.

Fucking Mayans!

To be honest, I am a bit worried. Yesterday I looked at my "Get Fuzzy" desk calander.........
There was nothing after today!


ApocalypseDom




Hmmm, there was nothing after today, which makes me really wonder if there is ever really a tomorrow??? LOL




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