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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 12/31/2009 9:17:29 PM   
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And cars are equally capable of carrying explosives. And have.




We are getting sorta carried away so this is it for me. Barricades can stop cars and trucks...it would be hard to shoot down 400 flying cars loaded with tnt.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 12/31/2009 9:17:37 PM   
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Sure, but still - at what point do we just decide enough is enough?


Let me offer an alternative (and equally privacy invasive) option. Some years ago, I held a government security clearance. They did an extensive background check on me. High levels of clearance require a or multiple polygraph tests. At this point, they should be fairly certain that I am not a terrorist.

Can I get a special passport or card or have my fingerpinrt scanned at the airport or whatever and bypass the scanner and the ultrasound and the MRI?

Could you allow people to volunteer for an equivalent check, and once certified as "safe", allow them to bypass these measures?

Then you could have the "you've already been vetted" line at the airport which would move quickly and the "we're not sure about you" line which would require running a multi-hour gauntlet of exhaustive checks.

You could offer "pre-certified" only fast flights.

I'm not sure about this concept. I haven't really thought it through but I figured I'd offer it up as an alternative.

Thoughts?


Consider that the CIA has done that with their own people and still had moles in the organization. No procedure is certain. Might be a good idea if we pull back from meddling in the affairs of other people. Maybe Military Internationalism isn't our best strategy.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 12/31/2009 9:21:55 PM   
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The comment made by the Manchester Airport spokeswoman about the images not being erotic, is open to interpretation and if an image is shown on a computer screen, then it is held in the computer memory. Furthermore, in the case of children or even celebrities, what is to stop unscrupulous vdu operators using mobile phone photography to photograph on screen images.

They are there to work, not make personal phone calls. Why do they need their mobile phone when on the job? Its a security job... not unlike any other security job. They should be held to higher standards of accountability.

As far as maintaining a record on the computer, the hard drive doesnt need to be accessable by the operators themselves... and those records can be deleted.


I have heard it said the records will not be maintained. On the other hand they become evidence if needed so how can it be they will not be maintained? BS

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 12/31/2009 10:24:00 PM   
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And cars are equally capable of carrying explosives. And have.



We are getting sorta carried away so this is it for me. Barricades can stop cars and trucks...it would be hard to shoot down 400 flying cars loaded with tnt.


Actually, you're missing the point, and I think you probably didn't see my edit. You certainly haven't seen the video clip.

Right now, today, it's hard to shoot down 400 small planes loaded with tnt. What's the difference?

Well, aside from the reality that planes can carry more weight than a vertical lift skycar, people do not pilot the skycar--it's controlled via computer systems in a skyway that's already under construction. No pilots.

Hence, it would be damn near impossible to fly 400 sky cars into any given target, as you can't just decide to do that.

You CAN, right now, do that with small planes.


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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:14:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I subscribe to a "risk aware" philosophy.  There is nothing that can be done to make everyone completely safe.  Ever.

Planes can crash and blow up.  They can do so by a such a variety of ways that it is impossible to make flight completely safe.  People have died in planes long before terrorists and full body scans will not prevent people from dying in planes in the future.

I am tired of the cost of things rising because product manufacturers and service providers have to expend extra money trying to protect everyone from some nut job or their own stupidity.

There will always be a risk.  Be aware.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:38:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since Bush and Cheney and the Party of NO Assclowns using fear all time time like there is a terrorist behind every single bush, it really seems that our Liberty is really turning into Chains.

With the New World Order getting closer to throw down Marshal Law on everyone here in the USA, as they are getting there pierces in place to do this as they did try this crap in the G20 Summit in Pitsbrurg and the college students that was in the near by buildings watching and getting attacted from the police and military, well there is a law under the Constitution that keeps the Federal Govenment from using the Milititary against its own citizens but the Congress and Past an Preisdent do not care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, as I found proof of that true fact, as Bush and Cheney did a total run around the US Constitution when they made the Patriot Act, as once any citizen that is legally protesting or chruch groups they federal government considers us as a terrorist or extremeist and once we are labeled and arrested for invoking our 1st Amendment Right we can not have no protection under the US Constitution as now we are terrorist. And that is why they are going to use the UN Peace Keepers Troops here in the USA to police us as citizens when they finally decide to use the Mashal Law as they do not have to answer to our US Constitution. And I have found out that Obama has let the Interpol of here in the USA total free to do anything they want to as to lock people up and do any investigtions as they do not have to be accountable to our Laws of the Land or our Constitution or Bill of Rights.

please goto this website http://www.claytonmspaparazzi.com as they put up the proof on all their stories, amd once the stories rolls off the main webpage the stories gets archived in the blog archives by the month and year. Just read all the PDF Files they put up on the site as you will have your eyes open totally.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:39:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since Bush and Cheney and the Party of NO Assclowns using fear all time time like there is a terrorist behind every single bush, it really seems that our Liberty is really turning into Chains.

With the New World Order getting closer to throw down Marshal Law on everyone here in the USA, as they are getting there pierces in place to do this as they did try this crap in the G20 Summit in Pitsbrurg and the college students that was in the near by buildings watching and getting attacted from the police and military, well there is a law under the Constitution that keeps the Federal Govenment from using the Milititary against its own citizens but the Congress and Past an Preisdent do not care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, as I found proof of that true fact, as Bush and Cheney did a total run around the US Constitution when they made the Patriot Act, as once any citizen that is legally protesting or chruch groups they federal government considers us as a terrorist or extremeist and once we are labeled and arrested for invoking our 1st Amendment Right we can not have no protection under the US Constitution as now we are terrorist. And that is why they are going to use the UN Peace Keepers Troops here in the USA to police us as citizens when they finally decide to use the Mashal Law as they do not have to answer to our US Constitution. And I have found out that Obama has let the Interpol of here in the USA total free to do anything they want to as to lock people up and do any investigtions as they do not have to be accountable to our Laws of the Land or our Constitution or Bill of Rights.

please goto this website http://www.claytonmspaparazzi.com as they put up the proof on all their stories, amd once the stories rolls off the main webpage the stories gets archived in the blog archives by the month and year. Just read all the PDF Files they put up on the site as you will have your eyes open totally.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:45:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I'm going to be a contrarian here, but I'm getting sick of security.  I've been held up two hours in the line for security, I've lost several penknives (come on, guys, we all KNOW it's not possible to down a plane with a 2" blade), I've had to quit carrying shaving cream, I've had to remove shoes and get a full body patdown...

One more hassle and I'm going Amtrak.


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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:59:22 PM   
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In islam, it is considered honourable if clemency is performed, if bin Laden, if he still exists is a true muslim, then he will be open to acts of clemency if his enemy made positive moves towards righting the wrongs he believes they have committed.




What wrongs are those?  Because there appear to be many.

Al-Qaeda reminds me of the Teabaggers in a more harmful form.

There is really no unified goal or complaint. 

You just have some people who have grouped themselves together with differing causes and differing goals in what they view as a common enemy.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 6:59:48 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Bunny ..honestly ...you can cut and paste all you like, but please do us all a favour and check your typos before you post
It makes it really hard to read and comprehend ..
oh and we "found" out about the Interpol thing oh at least a week ago...
and the bomber information was available to the public via news sites since ...pretty much since it happened.
The addition of alex jones just makes it a site that I will never go to again.
Sorry


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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:03:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bunnyblushkins

Since Bush and Cheney and the Party of NO Assclowns using fear all time time like there is a terrorist behind every single bush, it really seems that our Liberty is really turning into Chains.

With the New World Order getting closer to throw down Marshal Law on everyone here in the USA, as they are getting there pierces in place to do this as they did try this crap in the G20 Summit in Pitsbrurg and the college students that was in the near by buildings watching and getting attacted from the police and military, well there is a law under the Constitution that keeps the Federal Govenment from using the Milititary against its own citizens but the Congress and Past an Preisdent do not care about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, as I found proof of that true fact, as Bush and Cheney did a total run around the US Constitution when they made the Patriot Act, as once any citizen that is legally protesting or chruch groups they federal government considers us as a terrorist or extremeist and once we are labeled and arrested for invoking our 1st Amendment Right we can not have no protection under the US Constitution as now we are terrorist. And that is why they are going to use the UN Peace Keepers Troops here in the USA to police us as citizens when they finally decide to use the Mashal Law as they do not have to answer to our US Constitution. And I have found out that Obama has let the Interpol of here in the USA total free to do anything they want to as to lock people up and do any investigtions as they do not have to be accountable to our Laws of the Land or our Constitution or Bill of Rights.

please goto this website http://www.claytonmspaparazzi.com as they put up the proof on all their stories, amd once the stories rolls off the main webpage the stories gets archived in the blog archives by the month and year. Just read all the PDF Files they put up on the site as you will have your eyes open totally.


Is it possible for CM to start a Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories Forum?

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:08:37 PM   
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I subscribe to a "risk aware" philosophy.  There is nothing that can be done to make everyone completely safe.  Ever.

Planes can crash and blow up.  They can do so by a such a variety of ways that it is impossible to make flight completely safe.  People have died in planes long before terrorists and full body scans will not prevent people from dying in planes in the future.

I am tired of the cost of things rising because product manufacturers and service providers have to expend extra money trying to protect everyone from some nut job or their own stupidity.

There will always be a risk.  Be aware.


Yes.

... if everyone had the sense to see that there is risk in travel, accept that risk then the current terrorists would no longer be creating terror, just violence. As violent criminals go they are lightweights, the Mexican Drug cartels kill more people in just one year than these 'terrorists' have in the last ten years and don't forget the locally grown gangs around the US either.

Put this whole thing in perspective and I doubt anyone would justify the billions of dollars spent with little results. Provide reasonable security, everyone take care and be aware, then we all can get on with life with our fuckin shoes on.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:16:04 PM   
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Sure, but still - at what point do we just decide enough is enough?


Let me offer an alternative (and equally privacy invasive) option. Some years ago, I held a government security clearance. They did an extensive background check on me. High levels of clearance require a or multiple polygraph tests. At this point, they should be fairly certain that I am not a terrorist.

Can I get a special passport or card or have my fingerpinrt scanned at the airport or whatever and bypass the scanner and the ultrasound and the MRI?

Could you allow people to volunteer for an equivalent check, and once certified as "safe", allow them to bypass these measures?

Then you could have the "you've already been vetted" line at the airport which would move quickly and the "we're not sure about you" line which would require running a multi-hour gauntlet of exhaustive checks.

You could offer "pre-certified" only fast flights.

I'm not sure about this concept. I haven't really thought it through but I figured I'd offer it up as an alternative.

Thoughts?


Not even the crew gets to bypass the security lines, although at some airports there is a separate crew security line.

As if the pilots and flight attendants are a danger.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lucylastic, well i think they just try to be fair in putting up anyone it really does not not matter if it is this Alex Jones or Lou Dobbs or anyone from the Fox News Channel. But that is your choice anyways as far as my types go, I sorry but I type very fast and I try to so better, but now I will also be so critical of other that make little small type O's LOLOL and that is my choice.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		rulemywife, well I do not know if CM will or not but if you do your own dang research you fine out the same thing I posted earlier but I think your not into do research as you seem to not care anyways and my post had nothing to do with any dang Conspiracy Theories or Parania, are you Blonde as I am just wondering?

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:36:30 PM   
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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 7:39:01 PM   
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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 8:53:03 PM   
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With the New World Order getting closer to throw down Marshal Law on everyone here in the USA, as they are getting there pierces in place to do this as they did try this crap in the G20 Summit in Pitsbrurg and the college students that was in the near by buildings watching and getting attacted from the police and military,


WTF are you talking about?

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 9:00:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		tazzygirl, well just please re-read my post and do some research on your own on what happen with the college kids up in Pitsburg during the Summit you find out oh by the way as a hit please check youtube for first hand accounts of what the college kids put up about what happened.

Thank you as is been a friendly service annoncement LOLOL.

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RE: Invasion of privacy or cost of security? - 1/1/2010 9:04:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live in Pittsburgh. I know what happened. I know how bad it was, on both sides. But dont come on here like your an expert as to what happened because you read an internet site.

50000 dollars worth of damage to a Bank... college student

a Bike thrown at a cop... a college student

kids thinking it was funny to mill around a group of protestors who were butting heads with the police... and the college idiots thought they were immune to the fall out.

sorry, i got no pity for the stupidity of college youth. would have been one thing if they were actually protesting. most of them were sight seeing!

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