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Lucienne -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 5:32:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess
...but isn't it worth a shot to try to stack the deck in my favor NOW vs. after I'm wearing a diaper and footie pajamas screaming, "THIS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT BY WANTING TO BE HUMILIATED!!" or something like that?



Lol. That's just awesome. I support your deck stacking efforts 100%




DesFIP -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 6:00:01 AM)

If you met one of those guys who ordered all women around it is possible you might think he was your ideal dominant but probably you would think he was just an asshole.

Your problem is that you want to bypass the beginning stages of a relationship and get immediately to what happens after you know each other very well. And that's not possible.

The men who are holding back sadistically and you believe they are therefore wusses? It's quite possible they are capable of heavier play with someone once they know she can take a heavier level of play. But you don't know that on the first meet. And it doesn't matter that you tell them you can take more beforehand because they've all met people who say they are heavy bottoms who then red out early. How does he know what you're really like when he doesn't know who you are yet?

More than that, by comparing every new date to people you knew well after a several year long relationship, none of them can possibly compare. And you telling them that this isn't how your old master used to do it is a major turnoff.

Don't look for what you used to have. If that was what you needed, you would still be in that relationship and you aren't. Look for someone you like as a friend and have some chemistry with. And accept that this man may well not be into micromanagement, that instead he wants to delegate different things to you than your ex did. Or do you really want someone watching you clean and complain when you do the colored clothes before the whites? Or that you didn't chop the garlic fine enough for the stew?




UniqueRaven -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 7:44:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess
...but isn't it worth a shot to try to stack the deck in my favor NOW vs. after I'm wearing a diaper and footie pajamas screaming, "THIS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT BY WANTING TO BE HUMILIATED!!" or something like that?



Lol. That's just awesome. I support your deck stacking efforts 100%



i agree.  You have a fabulous sense of humor - can i suggest you show that in your new profile as well.  [:D]

julie (who doesn't want to be fattened up to have a dress made out of her skin either......."It rubs the lotion on its skin"......HA!)




NihilusZero -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 10:19:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Some are actually quite submissive but think they are dominant.
How are you coming to that judgement? Did they ask you to dominate them?


It is subjective, I know this. No, they don't ask me to dominate them...I don't mean they are submissive from a "wanting to lick my boots" sort of way--more of a juxtaposition sort of way. There are plenty of interactions which occur between two people in which one person is dominant and the other is submissive. If both were just equal and middle-of-the-road, they would both have to be British. I am talking about the "I don't know? What do you want to do? I don't know, what do YOU want to do?" sort of inability of to be assertive.

That's because "assertive" and "dominant" are not perfectly synonymous.




NihilusZero -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 10:34:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess

I only wish I could program my Master-magnet to attracting men who have a genuine affinity toward these things.

You make it a wee bit harder for yourself when requesting "heavy objectification" (a focus on his wants needs) in conjunction with the suggestion that you want your likes to be more incorporated. Furthermore, your words and demeanor suggest preferring the aggressive, aloof sort...a partner with whom your wants are not heavily incorporated as input for his decisions (back to objectification again).

You appear to be looking for a situation (or have been in situations) where your needs won't be a factor after the fact and are counter-compensating by trying to be strictly analytical of whether you can pick someone whom you assume will display those things before even getting into the relationship.

Now...that's not a "bad" thing...but the aggressive, overt dominants you seek are simultaneously less likely to be interested in a slave who professes to be obedient and service-oriented when her "first impression" attitude doesn't appear to be service-oriented at all. That's the two-edged karmic sword you've chosen to wield.

So...yes. Pretty much the only thing you've got to count on are statistics and odds. You're rolling dice at this point. The only way you improve your chances is by finding ways to lure a wider expanse of people to your profile (which means you suck up having to turn people away at greater volume).

Free initial hint towards that end: get some sexually alluring, good quality images taken of you and intermittently rotate them into and out of your profile.




lally2 -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 12:37:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess

Hello to all, hope your New Year is off to a great start.

I have been an un-owned slave now for over a year. I am glad that I took some time off after being released from my former Master so that I could figure out what I want. Now the problem I apparently have is communicating to potential future Masters what I am seeking. It seems to me that BDSM relationships are intrinsically progressive--what may have been "kinky" to me at one time now seems boring and tame. I've had a couple of intense 24/7 relationship experiences and now just "playing slave" is uninteresting to me and honestly, I would rather stay single than to get involved with someone who views the M/s lifestyle as pretend.

I have chatted with several Doms here and on other websites. I have met some nice guys but most are too egalitarian to hold my interest for long. Some are actually quite submissive but think they are dominant. When I try to be honest and say, "I have enjoyed chatting with you, but I am looking for someone with stronger sadistic tendancies" they tell me, "I can be like that! Let me show you!" That is usually when I am rolling my eyes and clicking on BLOCK.

My question is, "Is what I am looking for/hoping for even possible to find in the real world? Or am I the one who has a skewed perception of what is realistic?" (I have currently changed the status of my profile here to "hidden" until I figure out what I am hoping for--for those who want to start by looking at my profile before advising.) This is basically a list of what I am looking for, maybe others out there can give me some ideas of how to communicate it so as to attract the right kind of men. Or after reading this, maybe you will be able to tell me if I just need to get my head checked to get a grasp on reality because this sort of person does not exist in the real world. Here is my ultimate wishlist:

  • A man who is at minimum 10 years older than me
  • who desires a slave for his own sexual gratification (heavy objectification)
  • who wants a TPE--and realizes that being in control of a slave goes far beyond telling her not to wear panties under her dress, and that true mental TPE doesn't happen overnight OR via instant messenger
  • who enjoys verbally degrading his slave
  • who is sexually deviant and sadistic and gets off on inflicting pain and putting his slave in compromised predicaments for his own enjoyment
  • who has a high enough sex drive that owning an insatiable slave would be a benefit--not a burden
  • who is intelligent enough to know that while the ownership of his slave doesn't get shut off when kids, bosses, and grandparents are around--that the display of it must

So, am I essentially hunting for Bigfoot? Or does this Master exist? If so--how can I create a profile or ad (on this website or others) that will make sure that if he is browsing profiles that he takes the time to consider mine? I am posting genuinely & sincerely and hope that any replies are the same.

Thanks!



when you put there, 'id rather stay single...' i smiled. join the club [:)] - most of us have learnt enough not to settle

basically youre looking for TPE with a couple of specifics - in one way id say that it shouldnt be so hard, except that there are way more D/s Doms than Ms Masters out there.

they are out there, so dont give up hope. all id say is that youre trying to appeal to a guy who wont necessarily respond to a shopping list of 'wants'. think more of how you can turn those 'wants' into things youre gonna enjoy to do for him - its all about projecting those important attributes genuinely and truthfully.

as you know, TPE is all about handing it all over to the M. youre profile will say alot about whether you come across as someone who actually can and will accept full TPE.

to find him you have to project the slave you know you are, without watering youre personality down. if he isnt attracted to youre personality then its not gonna work anyway.

a couple of things ive picked up along the way. good luck.[:)]







antipode -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 1:34:57 PM)

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I am posting genuinely


Let me get this straight. Your profile is turned off, so those who respond to your posting can't see anything about you, apart from which, you are going to be hard to find without profile.... A conversation like this is one way traffic, and genuine.... not in my book.




UniqueRaven -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 2:27:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: antipode

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I am posting genuinely


Let me get this straight. Your profile is turned off, so those who respond to your posting can't see anything about you, apart from which, you are going to be hard to find without profile.... A conversation like this is one way traffic, and genuine.... not in my book.



She did say in her initial post that her profile is turned off right now while she revises it. 

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(I have currently changed the status of my profile here to "hidden" until I figure out what I am hoping for--for those who want to start by looking at my profile before advising.)







windchymes -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 2:36:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess


Unless I am hoping to find someone who also wants to fatten me up so he can make a dress out of my skin.



Well, actually, he would have to starve you so that your skin separates easily from the underlying connective tissue.....




mnottertail -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 2:41:41 PM)

it puts the lotion on its skin.

I might make a pair of skivvies out of girlyflesh, but I am no crossdresser.

Jason




EbonyWood -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 2:45:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: sincityprincess


Unless I am hoping to find someone who also wants to fatten me up so he can make a dress out of my skin.



Well, actually, he would have to starve you so that your skin separates easily from the underlying connective tissue.....


Good, practical advice. Plus, the incisions need to be discreet and not ruin the material for it's later use.




windchymes -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 2:51:05 PM)

Exactly, with the ultimate goal being to remove it all in one piece, like shearing sheep.


Baaaaaaaaaaaaa




windchymes -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 3:46:10 PM)

Well then, how come they don't just make footballs out of human skin??? [8|]




osf -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 3:58:49 PM)

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A man who is at minimum 10 years older than me
who desires a slave for his own sexual gratification (heavy objectification)
who wants a TPE--and realizes that being in control of a slave goes far beyond telling her not to wear panties under her dress, and that true mental TPE doesn't happen overnight OR via instant messenger
who enjoys verbally degrading his slave
who is sexually deviant and sadistic and gets off on inflicting pain and putting his slave in compromised predicaments for his own enjoyment
who has a high enough sex drive that owning an insatiable slave would be a benefit--not a burden
who is intelligent enough to know that while the ownership of his slave doesn't get shut off when kids, bosses, and grandparents are around--that the display of it must



thats totally disgusting, lets fuck




sincityprincess -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 7:24:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: antipode

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I am posting genuinely


Let me get this straight. Your profile is turned off, so those who respond to your posting can't see anything about you, apart from which, you are going to be hard to find without profile.... A conversation like this is one way traffic, and genuine.... not in my book.



I purposely set my profile to hidden for now not only because I am revising it (thanks for having my back though Raven!) but because I am probably going to delete it and create a new one. My username has been sincityprincess on here for years now--but I am not interested in being a princess sub like I once was...and haven't lived in Sin City for 2 years.

With that being said...I wasn't asking for a critique of my profile; and what is in it currently is irrelevant because my question was to get ideas for writing a NEW one. I would rather have my sincerity questioned for posting this question without a visible profile than to risk not being taken seriously at all if I were to create a new profile before posting on this board and looking like I've only been a member of this forum for 3 hours.

Either way, I knew there would inevitably be the risk that someone would reply to my post with nothing meaningful to add except the fact that they attempted to look at my profile & didn't find it.




sincityprincess -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 7:28:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

Free initial hint towards that end: get some sexually alluring, good quality images taken of you and intermittently rotate them into and out of your profile.


And I was almost ready to take the rest of your advice seriously.

So close...so very close.




Kana -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 8:40:59 PM)

 
  • A man who is at minimum 10 years older than me
  • who desires a slave for his own sexual gratification (heavy objectification)
  • who wants a TPE--and realizes that being in control of a slave goes far beyond telling her not to wear panties under her dress, and that true mental TPE doesn't happen overnight OR via instant messenger
  • who enjoys verbally degrading his slave
  • who is sexually deviant and sadistic and gets off on inflicting pain and putting his slave in compromised predicaments for his own enjoyment
  • who has a high enough sex drive that owning an insatiable slave would be a benefit--not a burden
  • who is intelligent enough to know that while the ownership of his slave doesn't get shut off when kids, bosses, and grandparents are around--that the display of it must



Who's been telling stories about me again?




sincityprincess -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 9:03:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If you met one of those guys who ordered all women around it is possible you might think he was your ideal dominant but probably you would think he was just an asshole.


That is quite possible...but a man doesn't have to try to order me around in order for me to consider him an asshole.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
Your problem is that you want to bypass the beginning stages of a relationship and get immediately to what happens after you know each other very well. And that's not possible.


I can see why you might think that--but that's not exactly what I am trying to do. What I am trying to do is to find out from people who are either dominants with some of these qualities, or other submissives who might also be interested in someone with these qualities, to find out what would be a good way to find such a person or if the general consensus would be whether or not he exists.

And do please tell the men who email & IM me that it isn't possible to bypass the early stages of a relationship when they expect me to plan my relocation to Duluth, MN after only a couple of times chatting.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
The men who are holding back sadistically and you believe they are therefore wusses? It's quite possible they are capable of heavier play with someone once they know she can take a heavier level of play.


I don't think if a man holds back sadistically it makes him a wuss. If he tells me his "ideal" night of domination consists of drawing me a bubble bath and lightly tugging on my hair as he washes it and then "forces" me to submit to hours of being orally pleasured by him--well, let's just suffice it to say he is not the right man for me. And I don't "play" with people casually the way some people do--I am not into BDSM "play" outside of a sexual relationship and I don't have sex without at least some possibility of a long-term relationship developing out of it--so I really try to narrow things down before getting into something that isn't going to go anywhere.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

because they've all met people who say they are heavy bottoms



I never said I was a heavy bottom. Are you calling me fat??

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
More than that, by comparing every new date to people you knew well after a several year long relationship, none of them can possibly compare. And you telling them that this isn't how your old master used to do it is a major turnoff.


I am not necessarily comparing potential new mates to my old one per se, except from the standpoint of trying to learn from past experiences and making checklists of things that I did or did not enjoy about past relationships. And I have had more than one BDSM experience that I base what I am looking for. I have had 3 different relationships of various degrees of ownership, plus many friends in D/s & M/s relationships which each have different qualities that I have learned things from.

I would never compare a new master to an old one. First of all, I am no rocket scientist, but it is my strong opinion that few dominants (or very many non-dominants for that matter) would stick around long enough to try to prove me wrong if I were ever to tell them, "My last Master did it THIS way..." Second of all, I never said that I was unsatisfied with certain men because they were different from my ex...I am unsatisfied with them because they are just not what I am looking for.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Don't look for what you used to have. If that was what you needed, you would still be in that relationship and you aren't. Look for someone you like as a friend and have some chemistry with. And accept that this man may well not be into micromanagement, that instead he wants to delegate different things to you than your ex did. Or do you really want someone watching you clean and complain when you do the colored clothes before the whites? Or that you didn't chop the garlic fine enough for the stew?


I don't want what I used to have. In fact, most of what I want is different from what I used to have. It is an amalgam of traits from several people--some of whom I've been in involved with and some just people I've met at parties or munches. I agree with you that it is better to have some chemistry with someone before trying to have a relationship with them; but I strongly believe that I will have more chemistry with a man whose Dominant style is one which I enjoy being submissive towards.

As far as how strictly or strongly he wants to control me--it never occurred to me to care about that. I would naturally presume that he would do this however it pleased him to do so. The only comment I made about how he dominates me is that I do ultimately hope to be in a TPE relationship but that I don't consider a man telling me not to wear panties under my dress to be TPE. Believe it or not, there are men out there who think they are the first ones to think of this and that it is quite scandalous.

I actually have been in relationships where I was told exactly how to do the laundry, down to being watched over my shoulder to make sure that each shirt was hung military style and facing the same direction...I've also been with someone who really, really, enjoyed doing laundry and made me promise to let him do it all. I have to say both relationships have great memories for me and neither of them because of anything to do with the laundry.





sincityprincess -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 10:25:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana


  • A man who is at minimum 10 years older than me
  • who desires a slave for his own sexual gratification (heavy objectification)
  • who wants a TPE--and realizes that being in control of a slave goes far beyond telling her not to wear panties under her dress, and that true mental TPE doesn't happen overnight OR via instant messenger
  • who enjoys verbally degrading his slave
  • who is sexually deviant and sadistic and gets off on inflicting pain and putting his slave in compromised predicaments for his own enjoyment
  • who has a high enough sex drive that owning an insatiable slave would be a benefit--not a burden
  • who is intelligent enough to know that while the ownership of his slave doesn't get shut off when kids, bosses, and grandparents are around--that the display of it must



Who's been telling stories about me again?


(Sigh) Will you marry me? No? How about beat me into submission? (See earlier posts in thread then lookup definition for "taking things too literally")

It is nice to see someone around here with a sense of humor.

Since this thread has been derailed by hair splitting, I only wish to clarify a few things for two reasons-- 1. In the event someone else comes across it during future searches for some nugget within it that might be meaningful to them 2. Because I think it is unfortunate that so many people on a BDSM Message Board would be so judgemental of someone asking a question and base their judgements on the replies of others more so than on the message contained within the OP.


  • I have re-read my OP and stand behind my original question. At no time did I ever say that my list was exclusive or absolute. In fact my exact words were "Ultimate Wishlist". Not, "this is all I will settle for and nothing less". Other than the 10 years older part (which is just a range, but I find it difficult to submit to men any closer to my own age than that. That is just "one of those things" sort of like how some girls like tall men and some like blonde ones) I think all of the things on my lists are things that would be mutually beneficial if they were met. A man who ENJOYS verbally degrading his slave is going to meet a lot less resistance from a girl who also ENJOYS that he enjoys degrading her. This is different from, "Tell me I am a dirty slut! Oh yeah, make me beg like a dog!!" which is quite topping from the bottom & creates a service oriented top; something I have no interest in meeting--hence the reason why I am turned off by men who tell me during chatting that if I want them to be such-and-such way, they can be if only I give them the chance! It is not that I am hoping for them to be presumptuous assholes within the first two minutes of talking, it is that for me (and only from my own perspective) if they ask me to tell them how I want to be dominated the whole thing is already beside the point.
  • I don't see why the fact that there are things that I like providing for a Dom/Master makes me any less submissive or service-minded? I had a friend who loved being tied up with anything from a twist-tie to a tension coil who met a Master who was slightly autistic and enjoyed spending hours and hours tying the most elaborate Shibari knots and then photographing them. Is it possible that they could have developed an M/s relationship even if she didn't love getting tied up? Yes. What if she was claustrophobic and hated not being able to move? Mmm it is still possible that this relationship COULD have existed. Is it likely that she would have enjoyed it as much? I doubt it. Would that make her a better slave because she did it in spite of hating it? No. That would only make her a martyr.
  • As I mentioned before, this board as well as others, have seen more than their fair share of posts from frustrated submissives who wish their Doms would be more into [insert any number of things here]. When those girls post here, they are often told to try communicating with him as to what they want. But what if they have tried that and been told, "Umm, no, we won't be doing that." Does it make the desire she has just go away? And if it doesn't go away then she is often chastised for not accepting him for who he is or trying to change him.

I am simply trying to eliminate the middleman, as it were, and minimize the amount of drama which occurs from two people who are not compatible with one another by being upfront with things that I would love to find in a man.

At this point, I realize it is beating a dead-horse and that this thread has probably had any drop of substance wrung out of it already...I really just feel like I wanted a chance to rebut some of the other replies.

Thank you and good night. [8|]




sincityprincess -> RE: Differentiating between fantasy & reality (1/3/2010 10:32:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Psychonaut23

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ORIGINAL: windchymes
Well, actually, he would have to starve you so that your skin separates easily from the underlying connective tissue.....


An air hose inserted under the subcutaneous fat and then brought up to several hundred PSI will inflate the skin like balloon, severing all the connective tissue and allowing for relatively easy removal, generally in one contiguous piece.

That's how they get the leather from pigs, and pigs have almost identical skin to humans.


[;)]
I'm not sure if it scares me that you know that...or turns me on!?!?!




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