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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 5:25:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: trealeon

I feel like this is deja vu, didn't we just have almost this same topic less than a month ago?

So what?

All lifestyle subject matter is constant and thus subject to deja vus for someone. Try to remember it's not just about you; that there's always someone new to it all - just as there obviously was last month and will be next month.

Focus.



THANK YOU!  I have a life outside the chat forums and grow weary of those who feel a need to disipline others for not reading every thread ever published on CM before posting to assure no redundancy.

On the topic at hand as posted by the original poster:   I agree with NihilusZero.  To be sure training will vary according to each individual relationship.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 7:29:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer6

 
so I have to ask when you hear "training" what come to your mind?




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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 8:45:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer6

I hear the word "training" being thrown about on folks profiles.; training collars, in training, looking to be trained

...but what exactly is training? To me it's been educating a girl on what behaviors are acceptable, and essentially what to do, and not to do

But I've also seen profiles where girls have claimed thier training is complete, and ready for thier  new/next/real owner

so I have to ask when you hear "training" what come to your mind?



"Training", for me, comes in multiple forms.

*Someone may be trained in something we need (like accounting, Certified Professional Secretary, Aesthetics/Aesthetician, Massage Therapy, Homeopathy, Formal Tea Service, Chef de Patisserie, etc.) where we didn't do the training ourselves.

*We have in-house training in our own preferences in terms of behavior, application of skills, etc. that are specific to our household and our rules. This may also include specialized household skills like forms of address, physical positioning (in our case, how to execute a proper bow, curtsy, disciplinary or petitioners obeisance, etc.), speech training (including specialized speech forms like third-person), etc.

*A servant may be trained in -specific- skills, either in-house or outside of the household, that may not be taught in a formal education setting, but may be relevant to that servant's particular duties (laundry management, gardening, etc.)

In any case, training is about learning how to do -something- or how to behave in a certain way. It may be something one teaches oneself, or something one learns through apprenticeship or experience outside the immediate environment.

For many, when they talk about "slave training", they're talking about the sexual and aesthetic/performance aspects of slavery, like learning presentation positions, sexual positions, effective oral sexual skills, etc-- for us, though, this kind of training would be essentially useless, so realistic expectations are typically in order. We have a policy that any newly-arriving servant, even if they've served for a decade, will be in a probationary position with us for a minimum of 3 months, and will be required to undergo evaluation by one of our senior trainers. We do this because, regardless of what a servant may have learned elsewhere, we have a specific way of doing things in our household, and that servant's prior training may not match our preferences. So while it is excellent to seek out training (and an admirable presentation of initiative on the servant's part), it is also important to realize that customization and re-training may be a part of a new situation, and one shouldn't consider such to be an affront to the initiative that has been taken in obtaining the original training.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 9:13:10 AM   
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trealeon   I feel like this is deja vu, didn't we just have almost this same topic less than a month ago?



168 posts....still new....hang around and you'll see every single topic relating to BDSM  necromanced 10 different times and in 10 different ways from here on out...eventually you will wear out, but in the mean time it will be a fun roller coaster,..... friendships will be made....ideas will implant.... your heart will open.... you brain will absorb new sinister ideas and sexy fantasy's....you will likly take a stand and bluster on some topic for a couple of days and then ask yourself if it was really worth it....you will likly get several heartfelt emails from folks that were touched by your thoughts on something.....and you'll likely  get jaded and this just wont be a thrill for you anymore ....    welcome to the forums

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 10:14:33 AM   
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...so I have to ask when you hear "training" what come to your mind?...


the same thing that comes to mind when this slave hears "slave"...it depends on who says it, their intention, the definition they specifically use and the context it is used in.
 
it isn't a one-size-fits-all expression.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 11:13:27 AM   
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For me, the concept of training is a bit different.  I occasionally work with the local TNG group and many of them have little to no BDSM experience.  I've been working on putting together a training/mentoring program that would consist of things such as teaching how to minimize risks, how to properly care for toys, cleaning leather, non-sexual service, and experiencing different kinky activities to learn what they enjoy or hate.  For the young dominants, I'd also be training them to do aftercare and, in some cases, teaching them how to use NLP and other techniques to get into a sub's head in order to create a more intense scene.
 
So, when someone says "training" that's the first place my mind goes.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 1:20:34 PM   
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I'm kind of partial to osf's definition.

If I had anything more serious to add at this point it might be to repeat the Japanese proverb: "to teach is to learn".

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/5/2010 9:46:19 PM   
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i feel sorry for people who say they are "trained" and beleive that they know all there is to know and need nothing else.

i have been active in this life since 1978 and there are still things i am learning and still new and exciting avenues to explore.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/6/2010 6:20:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

There are several definitions of training.

1. Learning to do things how a Dom/me wants, as many above say.
2. A ruse used by wannabe Doms to get a woman to sub to them, NSA, as WestBaySlave says
3. A hallmark of a fake sub who will ask for money, as ster says.

If someone states that their training is complete, that's a fake profile.



when a subby approaches a new do, she has no experience

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/6/2010 7:28:55 AM   
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when you hear "training" what come to your mind?


Repetitive applied actions to perfect technique for a desired outcome.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/6/2010 8:01:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


This is Training.



chia* (the pet)





She's well trained (the trains coming OUT!)


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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/6/2010 2:30:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress


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trealeon   I feel like this is deja vu, didn't we just have almost this same topic less than a month ago?



168 posts....still new....hang around and you'll see every single topic relating to BDSM  necromanced 10 different times and in 10 different ways from here on out...eventually you will wear out, but in the mean time it will be a fun roller coaster,..... friendships will be made....ideas will implant.... your heart will open.... you brain will absorb new sinister ideas and sexy fantasy's....you will likly take a stand and bluster on some topic for a couple of days and then ask yourself if it was really worth it....you will likly get several heartfelt emails from folks that were touched by your thoughts on something.....and you'll likely  get jaded and this just wont be a thrill for you anymore ....    welcome to the forums


Thanks for that, it made me laugh.

Also to theGuideGoddess: I wasn't saying that in a "you should just go do a search" way or whatever to the OP... I was just making a statement that I felt like we literally just talked about this. That's all. In fact the thread in question (which is slightly different) is still going on in the Ask a Master forum. Doesn't bother me or in any way make me upset... just feels like deja vu.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/6/2010 4:16:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: trealeon

I feel like this is deja vu, didn't we just have almost this same topic less than a month ago?

Sure the same topics come up but often there are new ppl with NEW ideas..or the same ppl in new situation where things have changed or they have learned more to pass on...or a dif set of folks may want to answer this month..ior other things come to light WITHIN posts...
that are seeds for new threads..
 
anyway OP:
TRAINING,,
Trainning is different things to different ppl...so we all have our ideas..THEN you addyour subs etc..and you get more variables as to HOW..what etc.
FOR ME...
training is hte time period when I am showing my boy HOW I want things done..
in the home..public..interactions...the protocols...rules...
HOW I like my mangos cut ...my coffee made..how I  want him to present if I say present or assume the postition..what my experssions mean...showing him HOW we will interact..with family..at play parties etc..and as well getting to KNOW HIM...in that time period in order to MODIFY training to insure changes...maginification of strengths and working on needs areas..such as if he is reluctant to do windows ahahahhahahha
 
 
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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/22/2010 6:25:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
the same thing that comes to mind when this slave hears "slave"...it depends on who says it, their intention, the definition they specifically use and the context it is used in.
 
it isn't a one-size-fits-all expression.
Yeah, that.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/22/2010 9:13:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer6

I hear the word "training" being thrown about on folks profiles.; training collars, in training, looking to be trained

...but what exactly is training? To me it's been educating a girl on what behaviors are acceptable, and essentially what to do, and not to do

But I've also seen profiles where girls have claimed thier training is complete, and ready for thier  new/next/real owner

so I have to ask when you hear "training" what come to your mind?



In my opinion, training isn't just a one-way street where the submissive is just going to learn how to behave acceptably.  I feel that dominants will also go through a learning process.  When you take your pet to Petsmart to their obedience classes, or see the "Dog Whisper" on television, are the pets being trained or are the OWNERS being trained?  In this respect, it is getting the owner to understand what is happening and how to translate your wants and desires to the pet.  I don't think it's too far off the path to consider that dominants will also learn about how their submissive behaves, and how to approach them correctly with the wants and desires that they possess. 

Certainly the submissive is going to learn a great deal from their dominants, and eagerly I hope.  This may be like how the drinks are taken daily, or taking care of how they look or address their dominants.  When to do certain things and when not to.  Rules, rituals, and such are all a part of that.  But being a good Master requires you to learn certain things as well.  Phobias, fears, and such will make it that you need to tailor how you treat and deal with situations that arise with your charge.  What makes them respond favorably or negatively also have to be learned and dealt with.  Certain behaviors you'll want to curtail or encourage.  It's not enough to just rely on a cookie-cutter attitude towards submissives.  We all need to bend, adapt, and learn.    


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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/23/2010 12:20:58 AM   
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BDSM "training" is one person gaining awareness to exercise the self will and free choice to voluntarily adapt to another.

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RE: What IS "Training"? - 1/23/2010 4:57:29 AM   
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this slave has been collared and yes you are never done with training .as your MASTER will teach you more and more .and as a slave you will be amazed at how much you didnt know about yourself

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